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Round 1: Pick #15 (J.T. Miller, F)

View Poll Results: Are you satisfied with the NYR 1st Round Pick? (do NOT vote until player is drafted)
Very Happy 57 20.80%
Somewhat Satisfied 91 33.21%
Neutral 34 12.41%
A little unhappy, but I can live with it 22 8.03%
I'm furious at Slats and Gordie 8 2.92%
I don't know enough to have an opinion 62 22.63%
Voters: 274. You may not vote on this poll

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06-27-2011, 11:31 AM
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I hope you're right. I've liked everything I've heard about him...but admittedly I was a bit concerned that we drafted an 11 goal scorer 15th overall, particularly when there were guys who scored 30+ still on the board.
Cant go by that.

USHL is not a league in which you'll see kids racking up points like the CHL.

The USNT plays against not only other USHL teams, but they also play against NCAA teams, and play international tournaments such as the U-18 WJC.

They play against stiff competition.


The games against NCAA teams and in the international tournaments, which are the more important games on the season for the USNT, Miller was a top performer. He, like Kreider, elevates his game. Factor in those games, he was a leading scorer for the USNT.

Has Bartschi or Puempel had to play against 20-23+ year olds at any point? The answer is no.

Its like the age old debate of NCAA vs CHL.

Plowing through under-developed children in the CHL and racking up points is not better for a guy like Kreider or Miller...or Grachev.

Playing in a tight league, against older, stronger, physically mature players in NCAA where two way play matters, is better for kids like Kreider and Miller.

USHL and particularly the USNTDP is a great development program.

I can almost guarantee Miller is already further ahead in his development then the likes of Puempel and Bartschi. Which are two names the detractors were drooling over.

Miller goes to UND, with experience against NCAA teams already under his belt, and probably plays for the U-20 WJC US team with international experience already under his belt.

I dont care how much raw skill another player from the CHL has, they dont nearly have the resume Miller already has. And Biggs, and Grimaldi (even though i dont like his size).

USHL prepares a player for NCAA, NCAA prepares a player for AHL and NHL.

Its an under-appreciated development program (USA Hockey). And we are starting to see more and more quality players come from the system.

Same reason you cant look at Kreider's numbers and claim he isnt progressing.

Watching him play, its clear as day how much he progressed.

His two way game has really blossomed, hes gotten stronger, smarter, hes really becoming the PLAYER that a lot of us envisioned.

I emphasize PLAYER, because there is more to playing hockey then racking up points at the expense of every other facet of the game.

Besides that, both Miller and Kreider possess the skill everyone wants.

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On the otherside of the token, a lid like McIlrath benefits from the WHL because he has to face more prolific offense.


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06-27-2011, 04:00 PM
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Is there any chance at all that Miller could surprise us all and make the Rangers out of camp? He seems to have NHL size already. Would he be considered for a bottom 9 role if he really stands out in camp?

Is he definitely going to college or is there a chance he wants to turn pro and play in the AHL next year?

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06-27-2011, 04:10 PM
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I can almost guarantee you that every one of these draft picks has had at least one concussion by this point in their lives...just not everyone is going to report it, or even know that they had one
When I had a concussion I knew it. So did the other guys on my team.

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06-27-2011, 04:11 PM
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Is there any chance at all that Miller could surprise us all and make the Rangers out of camp? He seems to have NHL size already. Would he be considered for a bottom 9 role if he really stands out in camp?

Is he definitely going to college or is there a chance he wants to turn pro and play in the AHL next year?
I won't say there is no chance, but the chances are so small that it might as well be no chance.

He has said that if the team that picks him wants him to play in the OHL, he will consider it. He could technically play in the AHL (if he signs a contract first), but there's probably less chance of that happening than him playing in the NHL next year. The Rangers aren't going to rush him.

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Is there any chance at all that Miller could surprise us all and make the Rangers out of camp? He seems to have NHL size already. Would he be considered for a bottom 9 role if he really stands out in camp?

Is he definitely going to college or is there a chance he wants to turn pro and play in the AHL next year?
He won't be in camp because he's not going to sign until after a season or two of college. They're not going to wreck him by rushing him like that.

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06-27-2011, 05:24 PM
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When I had a concussion I knew it. So did the other guys on my team.
There was a study released earlier this year that found 56% of concussions go undiagnosed and unreported at the high school level in the US. It echoes findings of pretty much every other concussion-reportage study that's ever been released.

Basically, for every one instance where you and your teammates know you are concussed, there's one instance where either you don't know or don't say anything to anyone.

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Hemorrhoid is right.

But its important to remember that it is likely that the minor concussions are the ones that are more likely to go neglected, as the symptoms are harder to detect.

I also remember reading a study that said once a concussion was completely healed, there was no heightened risk for another one.

Anyone who wants concussion info, just tweet Taylor Twellman. He'll talk your ear off.

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Cant go by that....
Thanks for the info. Hopefully Miller will progress nicely, and start putting up some better numbers as he rounds out his game.

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There was a study released earlier this year that found 56% of concussions go undiagnosed and unreported at the high school level in the US. It echoes findings of pretty much every other concussion-reportage study that's ever been released.

Basically, for every one instance where you and your teammates know you are concussed, there's one instance where either you don't know or don't say anything to anyone.
i wonder how they determined concussions that people didn't know they suffered? ones that were reported are obvious the player just admits that he didn't say. but if no one including the player knows how do you determine that?

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i wonder how they determined concussions that people didn't know they suffered? ones that were reported are obvious the player just admits that he didn't say. but if no one including the player knows how do you determine that?
How you determine an exact rate, I don't know. But the basic gist is having high school athletes fill out questionnaires, asking about any type of concussion-type symptoms that the athletes have suffered. In the end, you find a ton of athletes that have all the standard symptoms of a concussion, but never sought treatment because they didn't realize the potential impact of their condition. Thus, these kids have concussions, brush them off as just headaches or whatever, and they're never diagnosed. Or, they might even suspect that something more serious has occurred, but the desire to get back into the game causes them to ignore their symptoms.

One of the biggest issues is that a lot of athletes share the popular misconception that you have to lose consciousness to suffer a concussion, which is just not the case. Most concussions do not result in any loss of consciousness.

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I would absolutely love this pick, but with concussions being the issue they are these days, i am somewhat neutral.

I truly hope this kid has hardened up and can be a great player for us for years.

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I would absolutely love this pick, but with concussions being the issue they are these days, i am somewhat neutral.

I truly hope this kid has hardened up and can be a great player for us for years.
He's young and built like a tank, concussions aren't an issue unless his name is Ryan Borque.

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He's young and built like a tank, concussions aren't an issue unless his name is Ryan Borque.
Eric Lindros was young and built like a tank too. Size doesn't stop you from being concussion prone.

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Wait this kid has concussions problems?

(sorry I cant read through 20 pages)

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He's had one or two.

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When he was a youth.

Hasnt effected him at the USHL level.

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There was a study released earlier this year that found 56% of concussions go undiagnosed and unreported at the high school level in the US. It echoes findings of pretty much every other concussion-reportage study that's ever been released.

Basically, for every one instance where you and your teammates know you are concussed, there's one instance where either you don't know or don't say anything to anyone.
I would bet that a huge percentage of that is not saying anything out of fear of losing the position on your team or out of some stupid notion of machismo.

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Hemorrhoid is right.

But its important to remember that it is likely that the minor concussions are the ones that are more likely to go neglected, as the symptoms are harder to detect.

I also remember reading a study that said once a concussion was completely healed, there was no heightened risk for another one.

Anyone who wants concussion info, just tweet Taylor Twellman. He'll talk your ear off.
I would question that study because there are players who attract concussions like moths to a flame.

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He's had one or two.
For a point of reference, J. Toews had 2 concussions in his draft year. I'm not saying their circumstances are the same, but it hasn't stopped him from playing a 'drive-to-the-net' type of game

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Montreal fan here

Just want to wish best of luck to my favorite prospects of the 2011 draft with you guys. I really think you got a stud, a hard working talented player who will be a coach's and fan's favorite. I was really hoping he would be still availabe for the Habs, altough I'm happy with Beaulieu as well.

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I would question that study because there are players who attract concussions like moths to a flame.
The study didn't conclusively prove that they weren't easier to get. It stated there was no evidence to support the opposing theory.

Do you think that the type of players you mentioned are to some degree genentically predisposed to have an easier time getting concussions? You look at the Lindros brothers and they could find themselves severely concussed in a pillow fight. Yet, there are some player who get hammered by a concussion and then heal up and are able to continue with their careers.

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The study didn't conclusively prove that they weren't easier to get. It stated there was no evidence to support the opposing theory.

Do you think that the type of players you mentioned are to some degree genentically predisposed to have an easier time getting concussions? You look at the Lindros brothers and they could find themselves severely concussed in a pillow fight. Yet, there are some player who get hammered by a concussion and then heal up and are able to continue with their careers.
More people in the latter group than in the former, I would guess.

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