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06-28-2011, 12:43 PM
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I wouldn't mind bringing him back as a number 4-6 DMan. He's a solid defensive DMan who can help the younger guys develop. Maybe for one year and a club option for a second.

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Stop calling people the defenders of mediocrity when they want vets and you yourself are calling for unproven players to be used.

I want our players to be developed too but Hammer doesn't in anyway impede that. He just backs our 3rd pairing that much better. Funny part is signing Wiz would do exactly that because he's an offensive D. So Weber would get less PP time. I don't see Hammer taking away Emelin's needed PK time, I see him being there so that they can gradually show him the ropes rather than tossing him to the wolves.

Our management isn't stupid with developing players anyways, you just have little faith and are operating on the assumption that signing Hammer means Weber/Emelin won't play. You couldn't be further from right though. If anything signing Wiz whose 27 and an offensive D would limit Weber's PP time and hinder his development. Signing Hammer doesn't hinder anything, it makes our bottom pairing better.

Spacek could still be dealt too or be put on LTIR. Who knows, but one things for sure they wouldn't sign Emelin unless they intended on having him play. Plain and simple.

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06-28-2011, 12:48 PM
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Yemelin won't be a 7th D lol they're talking about him being a top 4 defenseman
That's more realistic than the mealy-mouth crap I've been reading. Why would Gauthier go to such lengths to sign him if he had any fear that he would be a #7? This guy will open eyes and relegate someone else to #7 status. I won't hedge my prediction by saying, "I could be wrong."

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06-28-2011, 12:50 PM
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I think it would be a good plan to pencil in Yemelin as #7 and let his play force JM to play him more and more...like Subban he has awesome physical tools taht should come out given a bit of time to adjust.

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06-28-2011, 12:52 PM
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Totally agree with your post. Gauthier is way too passive to succeed here.
Talk about hyperbole in your post and the one you quoted

Passive? For one I wouldn't call him too passive just yet. He's barely been the GM of our team. Assuming things about him based on the past is just stupid. Those were different teams with different situations.

For two being a reactionary GM and/or less passive doesn't necessarily equate to winning a cup. Plenty of passive GM's have won cups and plenty of active GM's have won cups. Correlating being activity with winning a cup is just about the stupidest comparison I've ever seen because every team is different. Some built from within, others built from UFA, some tanked for many years but at the end of the day each situation is different. For some teams not making a move is actually the best move. We've seen it time and time again where trades in order to bolster a roster fail. We've also seen them succeed.

There's no correlation between winning the cup and being an active GM. Plenty of active GM's are garbage. There's no correlation between winning the cup and being passive either. Smart decisions and winning the cup go hand in hand, those decisions can be anything from a trade or a signing to keeping what you have in tact.

Obviously most teams do make at least a trade or two when they think they can contend but this isn't consider different from the norm so hardly deserves mention of being "active". Chiarelli did make like 3 big trades prior to the playoffs not just 1-2 small ones. Those are smart decisions that resulted in winning the cup. It has nothing to do with being active, he could have actively signed different players who sucked. Again it boils down to smart decisions. People around here want a Burke or Holmgren GM just so they can say their GM did a bunch of stuff. Sorry but I'd rather Gainey/PG who are cautious in most cases (rightfully so after Gomez) than a guy like Sather or JFJ.

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As long as the stands are full and the gears with the CH logo are sold, they don't mind. Making the playoffs and playing one round is plenty for them. They are already making big bucks with all those pre-season games at the Bell.
I see this mentality a lot of these forums and it's just a naive way of looking at things.

1) They make more money going deeper
2) Winning the cup is always good for money, see #1
3) We have guys in our management who are former players, scouts, etc. They might get paid money to be here but they want to win. Nobody manages a sports team in anyway purely for the sake of making money unless they are the owner.

People need to stop putting the owners of the team who probably do care more about money than winning in the same category as our actual TEAM management who obviously want to win. These are hockey people. You think Timmins doesn't want to hit a home run just because he collects a pay check? You think Gainey/PG will just do any move and don't care if we contend or win a cup?

Sorry to say but that's a deluded point of view. Obviously money is important but even diehard fans like the Molson's who do care about money probably the most want us to win.

If it was only about money they'd trade away anyone good, go to the cap floor save a ton of money, still make a killing on tickets and merch cause just like Toronto the place will still sell out regardless, and they'd make even more money.

When people make comments like this I wonder if they even think before they type. Yeah because nobody in management actually cares about winning They make more money if we win than they do if we don't and even if not they would make more money by spending to the cap floor than to the roof given the kind of market we're in. But yeah, passive Pierre Gauthier just wants this team to lose and doesn't care

You guys really crack me up with this ********.


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06-28-2011, 12:52 PM
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How reliable is this source?

Hamrlik future scout?
That makes sense, we haven't really drafted too much out of the Czech Republic, but I wouldn't mind to see him as a scout one day.

Before the recent pick of Pribyl, the Habs have picked,

Tomas Linhart ('02)
Tomas Plekanec ('01)
Viktor Ujcik ('01)
Petr Chvojka ('00)
Petr Kubos ('97)
Miloslav Guren ('95)
Tomas Vokoun ('94)
Martin Sychra ('92)

Clearly we could use some improvement there.

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I like Hammer, but if we're keeping Spacek and Gill, then why?

Markov - Yemelin
Subban - Gill
Gorges - Spacek
Diaz - Weber

Either a guy like Diaz drops to the minors and/or Weber gets traded if we re-sign Hamrlik. I'd much rather us dish out a bit more money and make a pitch for Wiz/Ehrhoff. As of now, we have no replacement for Markov if he goes down again. Subban's a triggerman, Weber gets no opportunity, and nobody else has the offensive capability.

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06-28-2011, 12:56 PM
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Talk about hyperbole in your post and the one you quoted

Passive? For one I wouldn't call him too passive just yet. He's barely been the GM of our team. Assuming things about him based on the past is just stupid. Those were different teams with different situations.

For two being a reactionary GM and/or less passive doesn't necessarily equate to winning a cup. Plenty of passive GM's have won cups and plenty of active GM's have won cups. Correlating being activity with winning a cup is just about the stupidest comparison I've ever seen because every team is different. Some built from within, others built from UFA, some tanked for many years but at the end of the day each situation is different. For some teams not making a move is actually the best move. We've seen it time and time again where trades in order to bolster a roster fail. We've also seen them succeed.

There's no correlation between winning the cup and being an active GM. Plenty of active GM's are garbage. There's no correlation between winning the cup and being passive either. Smart decisions and winning the cup go hand in hand, those decisions can be anything from a trade or a signing to keeping what you have in tact.

Obviously most teams do make at least a trade or two when they think they can contend but this isn't consider different from the norm so hardly deserves mention of being "active". Chiarelli did make like 3 big trades prior to the playoffs not just 1-2 small ones. Those are smart decisions that resulted in winning the cup. It has nothing to do with being active, he could have actively signed different players who sucked. Again it boils down to smart decisions. People around here want a Burke or Holmgren GM just so they can say their GM did a bunch of stuff. Sorry but I'd rather Gainey/PG who are cautious in most cases (rightfully so after Gomez) than a guy like Sather or JFJ.
Problem is I wasn't talking about other teams. IMO, Gauthier is not the man for the job here. That's it.

Hopefully he'll prove me wrong, but I highly doubt.

PG had a big role in bringing Gomez, here BTW.

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06-28-2011, 12:57 PM
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Keep it up, guys. I love this back and forth arguying. Fact of the matter is you don't show up at camp with a puppy-like defensive corps. You need experience. It's the NHL, the real one, not some electronic game and not the juniors nor the AHL. You need experience.

Hammer played an expansive role the last 2 seasons. And it cost him probably 1 full season of energy and stamina. No doubt his career my be shortened by this overexposure. But as a 4th or 5th, Hammer is solid, don't doubt it. And he loves Montreal and he's probably well liked in the locker room.

Let's all remember that this team was built around chemistry from the get go. Hammer fits the bill. This is not a talent-ladden team, it's a team built on chemistry first and foremost.

And the Wiz was gone as soon as Markov was signed back. It was given.

So, one season, it's ok. Emelin won't come here and burn the league. The guy never played at this level. Let him grow. We'll see in the 2nd half of the season what he's really made of. Expectations with new players are always over the roof on these boards. It makes for interesting reading and pretty solid argument for obsessive compulsive behavior patterns, lol.
Very well said.

Hammer was overall rock solid both in terms of play on the ice and health-wise. He stepped up as the acting general when THE general was down and out for almost an eternity. This is a 2nd D pairing guy filling in the shoes left by our supposedly top D for an entire season and more.

Resigning him for one season is/will be an excellent move. Hammer reinforces our depth and consistency on the blue-line and that's essential to be a contender.

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06-28-2011, 01:03 PM
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I like Hammer, but if we're keeping Spacek and Gill, then why?

Markov - Yemelin
Subban - Gill
Gorges - Spacek
Diaz - Weber

Either a guy like Diaz drops to the minors and/or Weber gets traded if we re-sign Hamrlik. I'd much rather us dish out a bit more money and make a pitch for Wiz/Ehrhoff. As of now, we have no replacement for Markov if he goes down again. Subban's a triggerman, Weber gets no opportunity, and nobody else has the offensive capability.
Don't worry, we have a 2012 2nd round pick that we can give away.

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I feel that our defense is full. Why bring Hamrlik, unless you get rid of Spacek?

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as per MAG twitter:

Hammer mulls over one year offer, but still hopes for a 2-3 year deal.

Weird, he is 37 years old after all. Not quite sure why he thinks he would get a 3 year deal?

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Hammer mulls over one year offer, but still hopes for a 2-3 year deal.

Weird, he is 37 years old after all. Not quite sure why he thinks he would get a 3 year deal?
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Hammer mulls over one year offer, but still hopes for a 2-3 year deal.

Weird, he is 37 years old after all. Not quite sure why he thinks he would get a 3 year deal?
Please God No!

1 year is bad enough!

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Please God No!

1 year is bad enough!





This is a good thing imo, it means he's likely going to test free agency.

Teams like Florida can afford to give him 3 years @ 2-2.25m per. It guarantees him $6m, whereas if he signs a 1 yr deal in Montreal, he play might digress and he might only get $1.5 or $1m when he is 38.

He is thinking about his kids and grandkids.

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I think PG is trying to cover his bases in case of markov being injured again thats why he is trying to retain Hammer.

How about mara for a year, he is servicable and cap friendly for bottom pairing duties?

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It would be an absolute crime if PG offers Hamrlik anything more than a 1 year deal.

I'm not happy about bringing him back, but if its a 1 year deal at Gill type money (or slightly more) i can live with it. A 2 year deal would be horrible.

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Yemelin won't be a 7th D lol they're talking about him being a top 4 defenseman
Who is? Hopefully he can become one eventually, but I don't remember seeing anything from PG or JM talking about Yemelin starting the season in the top 4.

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What happen to the get younger and faster on D?
That began to go out the window when Gill was re-signed and continued with Hamrlik re-signing.

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All he is asking is to see the potential in Weber, that is all.

You refer to comparing Weber with Pyatt? Give me a break.
That's beside the point.
If all we wanted was a PP specialist, MAB would still be with us.
Weber is better than just a PP specialist, but it's still unsure whether he's suited to play full time duties, and the same can be said for Emelin. Signing Hammer to a cheap one year deal is a depth move, much like signing Picard last year. It's simply a depth move and a better one than last year's.
Not to mention, there's still a long way to go until September.
First off, maybe Hammer will refuse.
Second, maybe Gauthier is planing something.

So, first let's wait to see what Hammer even decides. If we sign Hammer to a similar deal than Gill, I'd have a very hard time understanding how anybody would be against it.

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I think PG is trying to cover his bases in case of markov being injured again thats why he is trying to retain Hammer.

How about mara for a year, he is servicable and cap friendly for bottom pairing duties?
You want us to sign another D? When will it be enough?

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PG and Martin were happy with the 1st round exit in the playoffs. So why change anything?

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How about mara for a year, he is servicable and cap friendly for bottom pairing duties?
Because Hamrlik is much better than Mara.

Mara would be 10th in the current Habs depth chart, or thereabouts.

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PG and Martin were happy with the 1st round exit in the playoffs. So why change anything?
They were probably happy to just make the playoffs with that sorry looking roster.

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I love how people regard Emelin as a savior, like he's been given a roster spot without earning it. The contract to him alone is already a huge favor most players wouldn't even get. If he doesn't earn his place and returns to Russia, so be it. If you think otherwise, you need to get a clue.

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