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06-28-2011, 02:56 PM
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Look closer at the numbers dating back to his final year with the Sharks. When you do it's hard to argue Ehrhoff is anything but an elite level PP producer. Goals just follow the guy around with the man advantage.

IMO he was easily the best PP defenseman we had. Look for the 1st unit to fall significantly next season, barring a solid replacement brought in from outside the organization.

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And he had 30 PP points to Bieksa's 3...

The improved PP can be traced back to Ehrhoff. The twins were ineffective before he arrived with the man advantage. Then in '09-10 the 2nd unit quarterbacked by Ehrhoff outscored the Sedin unit. This past year Ehrhoff took the 1st unit to #1 in the NHL and the 2nd unit led by Bieksa was as futile as the league has ever seen.

If Ehrhoff isn't re-signed look for the PP to fall out of the top 10 IMO.
Exactly this. I believe he is a huge part of the PP...and what was the one of the things that allowed Vancouver to be great this year? A great PP.

The PP will get worse and now it is absolutely imperative to improve the team at even strength...which is going to be very, very difficult.

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Term on his potential contract scared me. We'll be fine if we don't sign him.

Nobody's talking about Scott Hannan but he's a BC boy that might be a good fit as a physical d-man on the left side. Not sure what his mobility is like these days. Anyone know?

Teemu Laakso from Nashville is a good depth d-man to spell Tanev and Salo on the right. Could be had for a mid round pick I imagine. If Weber resigns in Nashville he's not going to have a spot to play. Too good for the AHL.

I hope we get a decent return for Ehrhoff's rights....

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What could we even get for the rights to Ehrhoff?
My guess would be a conditional 3rd or 4th round pick or a prospect. OR maybe RFA rights to someone a team can't sign?

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Ballard: How do you like me now?

Prediction: Ehrhoff gets right around 6 million.
Been saying since Rafalski announced his retirement that Ehrhoff will get 6 years 36 from Detroit.

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I'm waiting to hear from people who think Ehrhoff will be easy to replace with possible solutions that don't include an injury prone Salo on the wrong side of 30.
There is absolutely no way we're replacing him; these sorts of defensemen are at an absolute premium; the Sharks went out and loaded up a package for Burns.

Any way you look at it, we're taking a massive step back on the blue line next year. I do, however; find it somewhat funny the organization was arrogant enough to think Ehrhoff would sign for Bieksa money.

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Look closer at the numbers dating back to his final year with the Sharks. When you do it's hard to argue Ehrhoff is anything but an elite level PP producer. Goals just follow the guy around with the man advantage.

IMO he was easily the best PP defenseman we had. Look for the 1st unit to fall significantly next season, barring a solid replacement brought in from outside the organization.
As I said, Bieksa had 25PP points in 08-09 before Ehrhoff arrived. SJS was effective before he left and after he left, so not sure what your point is there.

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Maybe even take a flier on Barker, if Minny buys him out.
hells no, that guy sucks.

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I also don't get why people are surprised.

Most people expected Bieksa to sign due to his ties to the organization.

Ehrhoff has no ties to the Canucks. He was acquired 2 years ago and based on his body language after the Cup Finals it was pretty clear it was going to be difficult to re-sign him.

It still may happen but either way I'm not worried.

Gillis has stated they have been processing different scenarios most months now. Some major; some minor.

We will be fine.

Christ I don't know what people are going to be like Friday after everyone starts signing people and Gillis sits back and waits it all out.

Better clear the Lions Gate Bridge; there will be a long line.

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This is a huge blow to the team. I have to believe Gillis offered more to Ehrhoff and it was rejected. He is going to cash in. For this team, it would have been difficult to justify more than 5m considering Edler's status. I'm just not sure this is wise. He is vital to this team's offense.

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It sucks but I think the Ehrhoff camp has had their sites set on the UFA market from the beginning. I think Gillis would come off the Bieksa money but both camps likely know he isn't going to come off that money by the same degree as what Ehrhoff might get on the open market. I fully expect someone is going to offer him $6 mil (or even more) a season on July 1. Gillis would like move to maybe $5.5 mil but not any further.

What Ehrhoff runs the risk of doing is being the next Campbell. Campbell isn't a bad D-man in fact he is pretty darn solid guy. The problem is he isn't worth the contract he has. Not even close. Ehrhoff might end up in the same boat. A quality D-man but a guy who should be earning $1.5 mil a year less ten he is going to get.

I don't blame him. He has a chance to cash in during the prime of his career and he intends on doing so. I wish him luck.....if he signs in the East.

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Bump.....

So I think interested parties would include half the NHL.....

I expect the non-elite teams to pony up the most interesting compensation as they'd need some time to sell him on their team. I think Columbus might even offer a conditional first. That's how much they need him. We shall see.....

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Could this be what pushes Gillis to pursue Shea Weber?

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He's a top 15-20 offensively, but he's not even in the top 50 defensively.
Top 10 offensively - top 25 all-around.

People are remembering the banged up Ehrhoff. He's been extremely effective at even strength, dominant on the PP and has posted ridiculously strong numbers on the PK as a Canuck.

This is potentially a very big loss. Unfortunately there just aren't many options to replace him with.

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Let's not jump the gun here. There's still three days until 12 noon July 1st. Plenty of time to work things out.

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Who ever signs him, better think closely about who he's paired with.

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Ehrhoff will be this year's Brian Campbell if he does indeed make it to July 1st un-signed. In that case, hopefully for the Canucks Keith Ballard can rebound, and AV can utilize him properly, and maybe they can bring in a player such as Steve Montador.

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And he had 30 PP points to Bieksa's 3...

The improved PP can be traced back to Ehrhoff. The twins were ineffective before he arrived with the man advantage. Then in '09-10 the 2nd unit quarterbacked by Ehrhoff outscored the Sedin unit. This past year Ehrhoff took the 1st unit to #1 in the NHL and the 2nd unit led by Bieksa was as futile as the league has ever seen.

If Ehrhoff isn't re-signed look for the PP to fall out of the top 10 IMO.
I love that you always give the credit to the 2nd PP unit in 09/10 and the 1st unit in 10/11 to Ehrhoff and completely brush over the part where Ryan Kesler was on those units. You really think Ehrhoff was more important on the #1 PP unit than getting a 40 goal scorer on there who always took the attention of the #1 defenseman away from the Sedins?

Ehrhoff is a good offensive defenseman, but he's just barely made it to being a 50 point guy in his career. He fulfilled a role that Edler can probably step into this season.

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Ehrhoff's agent, who last talked with the team this morning, is surprised by the leak.

This might not be over.

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Top 10 offensively - top 25 all-around.

People are remembering the banged up Ehrhoff. He's been extremely effective at even strength, dominant on the PP and has posted ridiculously strong numbers on the PK as a Canuck.

This is potentially a very big loss. Unfortunately there just aren't many options to replace him with.
It all comes down to paying Ehrhoff $5.5 mil or getting a PP specialist in for less and being able to sign another forward.

Babchuk, Pitkanen, Kaberle, Jovanovski, Wisneiwski etc.

There are some other options.

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Term on his potential contract scared me. We'll be fine if we don't sign him.

Nobody's talking about Scott Hannan but he's a BC boy that might be a good fit as a physical d-man on the left side. Not sure what his mobility is like these days. Anyone know?

Teemu Laakso from Nashville is a good depth d-man to spell Tanev and Salo on the right. Could be had for a mid round pick I imagine. If Weber resigns in Nashville he's not going to have a spot to play. Too good for the AHL.

I hope we get a decent return for Ehrhoff's rights....
Guess why nobody is really talking about Hannan is becuase the Canucks already have Hamhuis, Edler, Ballard and Rome sign for the left side with only Bieksa and Tanev signed for the right side. If he has any mobility would look alright inplace of Ballard if hes moved though the priority should be filling out the right side.

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As I said, Bieksa had 25PP points in 08-09 before Ehrhoff arrived. SJS was effective before he left and after he left, so not sure what your point is there.
Ehrhoff was the Sharks most prolific PP producer in his final year there - moreso than Dan Boyle.

Kevin Bieksa has had very underwhelming PP numbers as a Canuck. Posted possibly the worst numbers the NHL has ever seen last season...

Time will tell what effect it has on the 1st unit. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the canucks fall out of the top 10 in PP goals.

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Guess why nobody is really talking about Hannan is becuase the Canucks already have Hamhuis, Edler, Ballard and Rome sign for the left side with only Bieksa and Tanev signed for the right side. If he has any mobility would look alright inplace of Ballard if hes moved though the priority should be filling out the right side.
Edler can and has played the right side.

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