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06-28-2011, 04:24 PM
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If you didn't like Kaberle in a Bruins uniform, you are going to hate what Wisneiwski would bring in a Bruins uniform. Especially for the salary he is going to command.

I'd literally rather not sign a Kaberle replacement, than to sign him.
Waz is a decent D-man but unless I`ve missed something, there is no way he should be signed for big money. He plays a much more engaged physical game, not that he`s a bruiser by any stretch. Regardless of whether Kabby played in the 5/6th spot, he`s got a ring and experience and someone will pay him.

I don`t have any issues with Waz, one of the few Habs I actually could stomach, not nearly enough time with that team to inherit hatred from this fan. Rather him than Kabby but not for big money. The guys never posted more than 30pts in a season, hardly screams huge pay cheque, yet people out there seem to think he`s some offensive dynamo.

I like him better than Kabby, doesn`t say much, not many I like worse than Kabby

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I know Kaberle won a cup here but that does not mean he played well and it does not mean he should be a Bruin next year.
Extermely soft, do not want him back, he can even be capable of logging some good minutes without being a liability on the ice. McQuiad balanced it out because Quiader is a beast stay at home and it helped out Kaberle, I still don't want Kaberle back though and I was a supporter of him.

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I think he's going to want between $20M-$25M... Regardless of the length of the contract.
Wow... I wouldn't never pay that amount of money if you consider the way he played with the Bruins. Not sure he will find an offer like this on the market but... what i do know? Iv'e seen a TON of bad contract offer in the past 5 years...

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Waz is a decent D-man but unless I`ve missed something, there is no way he should be signed for big money. He plays a much more engaged physical game, not that he`s a bruiser by any stretch. Regardless of whether Kabby played in the 5/6th spot, he`s got a ring and experience and someone will pay him.

I don`t have any issues with Waz, one of the few Habs I actually could stomach, not nearly enough time with that team to inherit hatred from this fan. Rather him than Kabby but not for big money.
I'd give Wiz 3 years 4.3 per.

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Good, I'd rather Chia made an offer to Wiz instead anyway.
Traded 3 times in the last 3 seasons, won't even get an offer from Montreal, one of the worst teams in the league... sounds like someone to avoid.

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Hello Mr. Kampfer, welcome to your new job...The # 6 D-man for the Stanley Cup Champs. Lets do this.

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Wow... I wouldn't never pay that amount of money if you consider the way he played with the Bruins. Not sure he will find an offer like this on the market but... what i do know? Iv'e seen a TON of bad contract offer in the past 5 years...
What if it's 7 years at $21M? That's only a $3M/yr hit.

He had 47 points last season and was on pace to be the highest scoring defenseman in his UFA class before he was dealt to Boston. Just won a Stanley Cup. Ehrhoff only had 50 points... Wiz just 51.

Some team is going to pony that up.

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I'd give Wiz 3 years 4.3 per.
wow, that`s generous, again, the guy has NEVER put up more than 30pts in a season on the back end and your willing to pay him over a Million more than Seids???

Sorry, that`s way too steep, he couldn`t hold Seids jock yet you`d pay him more than him?

As I stated, I have no issue bringing him on board, not for a penny more than 3 million. If he wants to play badly enough for a team that has a legit chance of competing for the Cup, he`d jump on it, but I doubt he will.

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Kaberle probably wants a retirement contract and that just isn't in the Bruins' plans.

Unfortunately, i fear people are going to quickly realize how much we miss him if he's gone through poor team transition up ice

hopefully Kampfer or Hamilton can step up/ break camp

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I think he's going to want between $20M-$25M... Regardless of the length of the contract.
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What if it's 7 years at $21M? That's only a $3M/yr hit.

He had 47 points last season and was on pace to be the highest scoring defenseman in his UFA class before he was dealt to Boston. Just won a Stanley Cup. Ehrhoff only had 50 points... Wiz just 51.

Some team is going to pony that up.
He might get this kind of money from a non contender team, because I really doubt a top team would go that high for him.

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What if it's 7 years at $21M? That's only a $3M/yr hit.

He had 47 points last season and was on pace to be the highest scoring defenseman in his UFA class before he was dealt to Boston. Just won a Stanley Cup. Ehrhoff only had 50 points... Wiz just 51.

Some team is going to pony that up.
You better be prepared to buy out the last 5 years to make that workable.

I would rather overpay him short term than lock him up long term.

As other said his market value will be determined by the market. His value to the Bruins is as a #5 defenseman who is also a power play specialist. Given he is already entering his mid 30s, that just isn't a person you lock up for a long term deal

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I'd give Wiz 3 years 4.3 per.
Before the trade to Montreal, Wisniewski was asking $14M/3 years to re-sign in New York, so your offer is lower than what certainly he is looking for.

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Sorry, if Tomas Kaberle is worth 4-4.5 on this market, I'm good with sitting that one out.

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If Kaberle walks then I'd like to see Ehrhoff here. He puts up a lot of points, has good size, can kill penalties if needed, has a good shot (something Kaberle lacks), and has the German connection with Seids. Supposedly he declined a Bieksa-like offer from Vancouver. Maybe he'd have a "can't beat em, join em" attitude about coming to the Bruins.

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wow, that`s generous, again, the guy has NEVER put up more than 30pts in a season on the back end and your willing to pay him over a Million more than Seids???

Sorry, that`s way too steep, he couldn`t hold Seids jock yet you`d pay him more than him?

As I stated, I have no issue bringing him on board, not for a penny more than 3 million. If he wants to play badly enough for a team that has a legit chance of competing for the Cup, he`d jump on it, but I doubt he will.
He had 51 points last year in 75 games playing on two pretty crappy teams compared to the Bruins, I think he would be great next to Seids. He is still pretty young too and will only get better from here on out.

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Before the trade to Montreal, Wisniewski was asking $14M/3 years to re-sign in New York, so your offer is lower than what certainly he is looking for.
I`m still wondering who the **** Waz thinks he is? Second coming of Paul Coffey, I can`t believe he and his agent have his value at that number.

Problem is, those jackwagons in Vancouver paying what they did for Bieksa officially makes it way too costly to sign anyone who has the ability to put one skate in front of the other for less than 4million/year

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He had 51 points last year in 75 games playing on two pretty crappy teams compared to the Bruins, I think he would be great next to Seids. He is still pretty young too and will only get better from here on out.

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My bad, forgot about the half season with the Isles, still, hardly enough reason for this fan to be comfortable handing him a nickel more than Seids. I`m more than comfortable with the B`s just taking their chances with Kampfer for a fraction of the price of either Kabby or Waz

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If we want to make a strong run at the cup

go after Erhoff or Wiz

if we want to keep improving our prospect pool, give the young guys a shot all while increasing their trade value, then let Kampfer/Hamilton and whoever else battle for the 6th spot.

If you sign Erhoff or Wiz, one of Boychuck, Ference, or Mcquaid will be on the chopping block at some point.

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I`m still wondering who the **** Waz thinks he is? Second coming of Paul Coffey, I can`t believe he and his agent have his value at that number.

Problem is, those jackwagons in Vancouver paying what they did for Bieksa officially makes it way too costly to sign anyone who has the ability to put one skate in front of the other for less than 4million/year
I think he is a good offensive dman, but I agree he doesn't deserve so much money more than Seidenberg.

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You better be prepared to buy out the last 5 years to make that workable.

I would rather overpay him short term than lock him up long term.

As other said his market value will be determined by the market. His value to the Bruins is as a #5 defenseman who is also a power play specialist. Given he is already entering his mid 30s, that just isn't a person you lock up for a long term deal
I hope you don't think that I'm suggesting BOSTON does it... No way, Jose!

I just think that Kaberle is likely looking at what COULD be the last contract of his career. Maybe that proposed 7yr deal is front-loaded, making buying him out pretty easy his twilight? I don't know. I know I wouldn't do it.

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I`m still wondering who the **** Waz thinks he is? Second coming of Paul Coffey, I can`t believe he and his agent have his value at that number.

Problem is, those jackwagons in Vancouver paying what they did for Bieksa officially makes it way too costly to sign anyone who has the ability to put one skate in front of the other for less than 4million/year
One thing to keep in mind is that Wiz is 26 years old and he has steadily improved each of the last three seasons.

Now, I want no part of him coming to Boston because the evidence that he's not a giant tool is pretty scant, but if there's one defenseman who might be worth the money he's going to get in this market, it's Wisniewski.

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I think he is a good offensive dman, but I agree he doesn't deserve so much money more than Seidenberg.
We can thank Gilles for skewing the market big time with the Bieksa signing, higher cap hit than hands down their best D-man in Hammy, we saw how limited of an effect Bieksa had when he had to fend for himself on the #1 pair.

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If Kaberle walks then I'd like to see Ehrhoff here. He puts up a lot of points, has good size, can kill penalties if needed, has a good shot (something Kaberle lacks), and has the German connection with Seids. Supposedly he declined a Bieksa-like offer from Vancouver. Maybe he'd have a "can't beat em, join em" attitude about coming to the Bruins.

Ehrhoff is the best option, providing the Bruins are willing to take on a big cap hit. Certainly it's worth more than keeping Kaberle at anything close to the money Ehrhoff will get.

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My bad, forgot about the half season with the Isles, still, hardly enough reason for this fan to be comfortable handing him a nickel more than Seids. I`m more than comfortable with the B`s just taking their chances with Kampfer for a fraction of the price of either Kabby or Waz
Maybe 4.3 is a little too much, but I would still love him to be on the Bruins, he plays a little more aggressive than Kaberle and can log good minutes. Kaberle was hardly noticeable in the playoffs except in the final series against the Nucks then he finally realized he was playing for a contract and played alright. We need that other D-man though that can log good minutes and take the pressure off Chara-Seids in the playoffs next year.

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I think he is a good offensive dman, but I agree he doesn't deserve so much money more than Seidenberg.
Who brings much more to the table....and in all 3 zones of the rink

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