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06-28-2011, 03:24 PM
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2011 HHOF Inductees

Don't have a link yet, but the announcement was just on NHLN:

Doug Gilmour
Joe Nieuwendyk
Ed Belfour
Mark Howe

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Figured The Eagle, Killer and Nieuwendyk were good bets to get in...congrats to Mark!

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Mark Howe finally made it

Oates should be in over Nieuwendyk, though.

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Extremely happy that Mark finally made it in, he should have been there years ago. Big congrats to him!

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Bure, Burns, Mogilny and Andreychuk all belong in but you can't argue with these inductees.

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At last. Congrats!

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Bure, Burns, Mogilny and Andreychuk all belong in but you can't argue with these inductees.
Why should Burns get in and in what category? Andreychuk gets in because Ciccarelli gets in. Mogilny sadly didnt have the career that leads to HoF and Bure, well he's a HoFer.

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06-28-2011, 05:35 PM
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makarov still not inducted.


Doc Emrick, who is currently one of 18 members of the HHOF committee, seems to have championed the election of Mark Howe.



a post i was writing about Mark Howe:


Mark Howe played D in NHL, but mostly played LW until joining the NHL in '80. Howe played a very similar style as Duncan Keith: positional D, not very physical, great skater, very good both ways.


Career Highlights

Junior
Played for Detroit Jr Red Wings and won US Junior Championship in '71.
Won Memorial Cup and Memorial Cup MVP in '73 as a member of Toronto Marlboros.

Howe was a highly valued prospect, but NHL had a lower age limit of 20, so Mark Howe joined the WHA, which allowed 18 year olds to play.

WHA
in '74, at age 18, Mark Howe joined Houston Aeros of WHA with father Gordie and brother Marty. Mark was awarded the Lou Kaplan Trophy as WHA's rookie of the year.

Won AVCO Cup in '74 and '75 with Houston.
Signed with Hartford Whalers in '77.

Howe was a WHA all star at both LW ('74, '79) and D ('77).

WHA's all time leading playoff scorer (92p in 75 games).

504p in 426 games (8th in WHA history)




NHL
3 time runner up for Norris ('83, '86, '87)
career +400 (12th all time) *
career +54 in playoffs (8th all time) **
#1 d-man for the '80s Flyers, one of the best teams of the decade
742p in 929 games
61p in 101 playoff games

28 SH goals, a record for d-men
lost in finals with Flyers to Oilers in '85 and '87
lost in finals with DRW to NJD in '95

his best season '86:
24g, 58a, 82p in 77 games
7 SH goals
+85 (best in NHL, Flyers were a minus team when Howe was not on the ice)
Hart finalist, behind Gretzky and Lemieux
Norris runner up (Coffey had 48g, 90a, 138p, +61)


* only recorded since '68
** only recorded since '84

Norris and post season All Star record
'80 5th, 5th
'81: 11th, 7th
'82: --
'83: 2nd, 1st
'84: 11th, 9th
'85: 6th, 6th
'86: 2nd, 2nd
'87: 2nd, 2nd
'88: 9th, 7th

Hart record
'83: 5th
'86: 3rd
'87: 8th






International
played in '72 Olympics for USA at age 16 (won Silver Medal)
played for WHA in victory vs USSR in '74 Summit Series
played for USA in '81 Canada Cup

Mark Howe is the youngest player to win a medal in ice hockey.






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Bure, Burns, Mogilny and Andreychuk all belong in but you can't argue with these inductees.
i would not vote for andreychuk (never close to an elite player) or mogilny (rarely an elite player).

HHOF does not have a category for coaches, which is very strange. but i would vote for pat burns.



nieuwendyk should not have been inducted, imo. he was also never really an elite player, imo. was a 2nd line C for almost his entire career. i think modano or belfour or hasek would have been better choices for smythe in '99.

led his teams in scoring only twice ('90, '98, and '98 was b/c of injury to modano), and not b/c he played with all time great scorers, and also not b/c he was a great 2 way player. scored over 75p only 4 times, even though his career started in the late '80s. peaked at 14th in scoring in '95.

nieuwendyk got a total of 3 votes for hart in his entire career (1 for 3rd place, 2 for 5th place, all in '98). his hart votes in '98 were highly related to his status as leading scorer of the presidents' trophy winner.

imo, nieuwendyk was never the best player on his team. how often was nieuwendyk even the best F on his team? possibly once or twice. only got votes for all star C a couple of times in his entire career.


adam oates was a contemporary who was definitely a better player than nieuwendyk, but was not inducted.


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i would not vote for andreychuk (never close to an elite player) or mogilny (rarely an elite player).

HHOF does not have a category for coaches, which is very strange. but i would vote for pat burns.



nieuwendyk should not have been inducted, imo. he was also never really an elite player, imo. was a 2nd line C for almost his entire career. i think modano or belfour or hasek would have been better choices for smythe in '99.

led his teams in scoring only twice ('90, '98, and '98 was b/c of injury to modano), and not b/c he played with all time great scorers, and also not b/c he was a great 2 way player. scored over 75p only 4 times, even though his career started in the late '80s. peaked at 14th in scoring in '95.

nieuwendyk got a total of 3 votes for hart in his entire career (1 for 3rd place, 2 for 5th place, all in '98). his hart votes in '98 were highly related to his status as leading scorer of the presidents' trophy winner.

imo, nieuwendyk was never the best player on his team. how often was nieuwendyk even the best F on his team? possibly once or twice. only got votes for all star C a couple of times in his entire career.


adam oates was a contemporary who was definitely a better player than nieuwendyk, but was not inducted.
I can agree on that Burns would get in if there were a coaches category but there isn't and he wasn't a builder. So Burns is out.

Niuwendyk is another Ciccarelli case. I don't even understand how they lobbied for him? What could they possibly have said to warrant his induction over a guy like Makarov or atleast Bure (even Barrasso/Turgeon/Housley would make more sense). Niuwendyks induction opens up for a guy like Vernon to get in.

Gilmour is a beloved hockey player I wont argue against him and neither will I argue against Mark Howe. Both were tremendous players with huge hearts and amongst the best of the best in what they did.

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Meh..

There were certainly others before them but it should remain the Hall of Fame and not the Hall of Good-to-Great

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Why should Burns get in and in what category? Andreychuk gets in because Ciccarelli gets in. Mogilny sadly didnt have the career that leads to HoF and Bure, well he's a HoFer.
Well he had 500+ wins and won a cup with the Devils. I only really listed him because he seems like a popular snub with the Media. I won't complain either way.


The other 3 I believe should be in.


EDIT: Regarding Burns. Did not realize there wasn't a coaches category.


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Finally, Howe Takes Rightful Place with Hockey’s All-Time Elite
http://nhlhotstove.com/finally-howe-...ll-time-elite/

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