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06-29-2011, 11:40 AM
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I've shifted my focus to Columbus. Derrick Brassard, anyone?
you know Im in.

Columbus doesn't want futures though...

Sekera, Boyes, and Adam
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06-29-2011, 11:52 AM
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you know Im in.

Columbus doesn't want futures though...

Sekera, Boyes, and Adam
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Seems like a lot to give up, but I'd be on board. If they could somehow get Filppula (or even Hanzal) for the 3rd line role that would be perfect. Failing that, I'm still behind signing Belanger for that job.

See my post in the main Free Agency thread from last night. May have to put Wiz in there instead of Ehrhoff now though...

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you know Im in.

Columbus doesn't want futures though...

Sekera, Boyes, and Adam
?
You've been a proponent of his acquisition for a long time now.

They certainly have the cap space to take Boyes' $4M and pay Sekera mid 2's, low 3's... Does that get it done, though? Too little? Too much in our eyes to give up?

I have zero problem trading Luke Adam.

Would you work off of a Brassard/Ennis-based discussion if you're either party?

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You've been a proponent of his acquisition for a long time now.

They certainly have the cap space to take Boyes' $4M and pay Sekera mid 2's, low 3's... Does that get it done, though? Too little? Too much in our eyes to give up?

I have zero problem trading Luke Adam.

Would you work off of a Brassard/Ennis-based discussion if you're either party?
If they strike out on all the available UFA options, Sekera becomes a very interesting option. Statistically he was Buffalo #3 d-man and considering his offense and his upside he could be a target. As I said in another posting, a Blue Jacket fan suggested a Leopold+pick deal, as they feel that their management is trying to mortgage some of the future to make a push for the playoffs next season (and also there's the rumor that they were willing to take on Campbell's contract).

I think the deal Jame proposed is an overpayment, though, Sekera+Boyes+CGY's 2nd should in my opinion get them to listen.

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You've been a proponent of his acquisition for a long time now.

They certainly have the cap space to take Boyes' $4M and pay Sekera mid 2's, low 3's... Does that get it done, though? Too little? Too much in our eyes to give up?

I have zero problem trading Luke Adam.

Would you work off of a Brassard/Ennis-based discussion if you're either party?
That was my original starting point

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If they strike out on all the available UFA options, Sekera becomes a very interesting option. Statistically he was Buffalo #3 d-man and considering his offense and his upside he could be a target. As I said in another posting, a Blue Jacket fan suggested a Leopold+pick deal, as they feel that their management is trying to mortgage some of the future to make a push for the playoffs next season (and also there's the rumor that they were willing to take on Campbell's contract).

I think the deal Jame proposed is an overpayment, though, Sekera+Boyes+CGY's 2nd should in my opinion get them to listen.
Why would Brassard have less trade value then Ennis?

Would you trade Ennis for that type of return?

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Why would Brassard have less trade value then Ennis?

Would you trade Ennis for that type of return?
Ennis is younger, maybe has more potential in many people's eyes.

I'd have no problem trading Ennis for Brassard straight up if they could find someone to take Ennis' place on the LW.

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That was my original starting point
The scenario gets intriguing....


....which team adds the additional pieces to make the trade work? Both guys may have slightly more value internally than externally with their respective organizations, but the starting point isn't horrendous at all.

I just wonder if it'd come down to the two parties both stating that the other needs to add more to make it enticing.

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If we are trading Ennis Id rather package him for a proven center. Ennis is almost to good to trade right now before we see his real potential. but if Stastny or Spezza type centers are coming back i can bite that bullett

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If we are trading Ennis Id rather package him for a proven center. Ennis is almost to good to trade right now before we see his real potential. but if Stastny or Spezza type centers are coming back i can bite that bullett
That is the perceived worry about going after a player like Brassard.... then again, if he was proven they wouldn't be trading him. He's a lot less rough a diamond than Briere when he came to Buffalo. These are the moves they should be looking to make.

Regarding Spezza though - wasn't there a pretty strong rumour that before the deadline they were talking and Ottawa wanted Ennis, Foligno + 1st round pick (or something like that)? If true I'd have been over that like a rash even though its a lot to give up. 1st line centres that are proven do not grow on trees (except in Philly maybe).

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If we are trading Ennis Id rather package him for a proven center. Ennis is almost to good to trade right now before we see his real potential. but if Stastny or Spezza type centers are coming back i can bite that bullett
To be fair the same could be said of Brassard.

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The scenario gets intriguing....


....which team adds the additional pieces to make the trade work? Both guys may have slightly more value internally than externally with their respective organizations, but the starting point isn't horrendous at all.

I just wonder if it'd come down to the two parties both stating that the other needs to add more to make it enticing.
We add Sekera, bringing the salary more into alignment...columbus adds mid range future like Dalton Smith and a pick ?

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I've shifted my focus to Columbus. Derrick Brassard, anyone?
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you know Im in.

Columbus doesn't want futures though...

Sekera, Boyes, and Adam
?
What about Pominville to Columbus for Brassard?

To CLB:

Jason Pominville

To BUF:

Derek Brassard

It would give Buffalo a top-2 centre, and gives Columbus a top line RW to play with Carter & Nash.... plus it gives the Sabres an extra $2.1M in cap space & helps get Columbus closer to the cap floor.

Thoughts?

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What about Pominville to Columbus for Brassard?

To CLB:

Jason Pominville

To BUF:

Derek Brassard

It would give Buffalo a top-2 centre, and gives Columbus a top line RW to play with Carter & Nash.... plus it gives the Sabres an extra $2.1M in cap space & helps get Columbus closer to the cap floor.

Thoughts?
I don't think many teams are going to be interested in Pominville while he's recovering from his injury. Maybe as we get closer to the season and he's farther along in his rehab, but not now. Boyes, Sekera, and Adam would be an interesting package for either Vermette or Brassard. I think Vermette would cost a little less (take out Adam?), but Brassard obviously has more offensive potential. I don't think I'd trade Ennis for either one unless Columbus added something useful. I just see him having a higher upside.

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What about Logan Couture of San Jose.

56 pts rookie year. 53,4% face off. They say Pav is not going anywhere. Thorton they say is staying. Same with Marleau.

Will Ennis, Sekera, and a 1st do it?

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What about Logan Couture of San Jose.

56 pts rookie year. 53,4% face off. They say Pav is not going anywhere. Thorton they say is staying. Same with Marleau.

Will Ennis, Sekera, and a 1st do it?
Couture is likely going to be the 1C after Thornton's current contract expires. I can't see the Sharks trading Couture or Pavelski, at least not in the near future.

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What about Logan Couture of San Jose.

56 pts rookie year. 53,4% face off. They say Pav is not going anywhere. Thorton they say is staying. Same with Marleau.

Will Ennis, Sekera, and a 1st do it?
No way hes available.

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IMO....

I think one of these moves should be done PRIOR to July 1st. It really doesn't matter what happens with Richards, we still need another center. We also need that trade to clear some LONG TERM CAP SPACE...again, that's my opinion.

If we brought in Brassard now, how much more enticing is Buffalo as a destination to Richards????

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