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06-29-2011, 09:25 PM
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It's just salesmanship. An agent is basically a salesman, who tries to drive up the price of his "product" as much as possible. Classic case of an agent twisting words and facts around to try to squeeze as much money as possible out of Sather for Callahan.
Uhhh not true! Just ask Leafs fans. When the agent says "he wants to play for a winner. A young team and in a great hockey market." He automatically means Toronto!

That's a FACT!

Has nothing to do with being an agent and trying to drive up price and keep all parties interested.

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Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if a team wants to give Callahan a deal that would return 4 1st rounders I would have to think about that VERY heavily.

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Yea at first I got kinda scared but then I realized that 1) Cally would have to sign the offer sheet, 2) If someone where to offer some ludicrous amount of money then we get really good compensation or Sather will match with ease.

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Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if a team wants to give Callahan a deal that would return 4 1st rounders I would have to think about that VERY heavily.
Lets be honest, no one will offer Cally over 7.5 million a year. If someone is going to give up 4 first round picks, it's going to be for a player like Stamkos.

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I'm concerned about an offer sheet. Steve Barlett represents Callahan and he also represents Thomas Vanek who got that huge offer sheet from the Oilers four years ago after they lost Briere & Drury. Is it a negotiating ploy? Absolutely. Callahan still has to sign any offer sheet but i'd still consider it possible.

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Maybe I'm in the minority here, but if a team wants to give Callahan a deal that would return 4 1st rounders I would have to think about that VERY heavily.
I don't think Sather would turn down 4 1st rounders unless it's from a team like Pittsburgh or Detroit—but if Dallas/Florida/Edmonton did, I think we would be bidding our farewells to Callahan.

Anyway, I'm not worried in the slightest. No one with a sense of sanity will offer sheet the one and only Glen Sather —this will be resolved one way or another, whether it's tomorrow or the day before the 1st preseason game.

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Lets be honest, no one will offer Cally over 7.5 million a year.
Is that what it would take? I wasn't aware it would have to be that much.

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It wasn't a big deal until Dubinsky held-out. Callahan has yet to do that.
Yeah missing the beginning or training camp for Dubi was so terrible, but Callahan threatening the team that he'll leave if they don't leave enough cap space to his liking is captain-like behavior

More importantly people don't seem to understand that these players leave those decisions (holding out/talking **** to the media) to their agents. It's not them calling the shots, they aren't the experts in negotiations and so they leave it to the people who are. None of that stuff should be held against the player, but if you want to anyway at least be consistent.

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This is all just a bunch of hot air.

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wonder what the rangers are offering

anything less than 4 mil per on a multi year del would be an insult, imo

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Is that what it would take? I wasn't aware it would have to be that much.
I'm not sure how the exact rules work but if Callys average salary over X amount of years in his offersheet is 7.5 million plus, the team forfeits (4) first round picks.

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$1,034,249 or less: No compensation

$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick

$1,567,043 — $3,134,055: Second-round pick

$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick

$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick

$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third

$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

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No sane person will give Callahan $7.8M.

Sather will immediately match any offersheet that is $5.5M and under.

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Didn't something similar to this happen with Staal last year? I'm not worried.

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What kind of contract does this guy think Richards is gonna get that will make it impossible to sign 5 guys that should make no more than 14 million combined, figuring Dubi makes 4.5, Cally 4.5, Boyle 2, Sauer 1 and AA 1.5-2?

Say you sign Richards to a 5 year, 7.5 million dollar deal. Signing all these guys and Richards would cost at most around 21 million or so. We would still have some room left over.

Agents are paid to do whats best for their players. Obviously this involves baseless statements released to the media.

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It wasn't a big deal until Dubinsky held-out. Callahan has yet to do that.
Bingo. If Callahan holds out, **** him. Until then, this is just posturing.

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$1,034,249 or less: No compensation

$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick

$1,567,043 — $3,134,055: Second-round pick

$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick

$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick

$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third

$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
It's pretty simple.

-Up to $3.1MM: I match and leave 'em alone. Thanks! (Never going to happen.)
-Up to $4MM: I match... and poach their next available RFA.
-Over $4MM: I let him walk, take the picks... and poach their next available RFA.

There are undoubtedly ways in which Slats has hurt us over the years (exhibit A: Redden, Wade), but I think this is one where he helps. I honestly think that Sather - especially with a grudge and cap space - is a scary proposition for other GMs.

Regardless, this is just his agent doing his job. I have no more concern about this than I did about Dubi holding out 2 years ago.

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It's just salesmanship. An agent is basically a salesman, who tries to drive up the price of his "product" as much as possible. Classic case of an agent twisting words and facts around to try to squeeze as much money as possible out of Sather for Callahan.
Exactly what this is, and Sather & co know it.

Just a ploy to get him more money. This should not worry anyone.

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It's pretty simple.

-Up to $3.1MM: I match and leave 'em alone. Thanks! (Never going to happen.)
-Up to $4MM: I match... and poach their next available RFA.
-Over $4MM: I let him walk, take the picks... and poach their next available RFA.

There are undoubtedly ways in which Slats has hurt us over the years, but I think this is one where he helps. I honestly think that Sather - with a grudge and cap space - is a scary proposition for other GMs.
I match anything up to 5M.

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What kind of contract does this guy think Richards is gonna get that will make it impossible to sign 5 guys that should make no more than 14 million combined, figuring Dubi makes 4.5, Cally 4.5, Boyle 2, Sauer 1 and AA 1.5-2?
I think people are making the unnecessary leap that Cally's agent was talking about the Rangers and Richards and being up against the cap. He didn't say anything about the Rangers in that Richards example and obviously knows the Rangers are not up against the cap. This is a case of Ranger fans reading too much into a statement.

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Dubi and Staal didn't have arbitration rights, so it makes sense that their agents were trying to create some sort of leverage.

But there is no reason to try to attract an offer sheet when your client has arbitration rights (unless they truly don't want to be on the team any longer, which is not the case with Callahan). If Sather is lowballing Cally, then all Cally has to do is file for arbitration (like he did 2 summers ago). In arbitration, the player almost always wins, and I doubt the award would be so ridiculous as to where the Rangers would have to walk away. Yet another silly negotiating ploy being exercised here.

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Yeah missing the beginning or training camp for Dubi was so terrible, but Callahan threatening the team that he'll leave if they don't leave enough cap space to his liking is captain-like behavior

More importantly people don't seem to understand that these players leave those decisions (holding out/talking **** to the media) to their agents. It's not them calling the shots, they aren't the experts in negotiations and so they leave it to the people who are. None of that stuff should be held against the player, but if you want to anyway at least be consistent.
Captain like behavior? Remind me what Messier did again in '97. Is he any less a Captain for trying to maximize his earnings?

Callahan hasn't threatened anyone. What do you expect his agent to come out and say, by the way?

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We were blown away from Sathers offer. It was 30% more than we imagined. Instead of easily asking for more $$$, we decided to sign the contract right then and there. That Slats.. He's a sharp one.
Negotiating is a part of business.

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Bingo. If Callahan holds out, **** him. Until then, this is just posturing.
LOL. Cause it was so offensive that Dubinsky missed skating laps. What a dickkkkkkkkkkkkkkk. He's always shown on the ice how much he's NOT team player. Totally.

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Captain like behavior? Remind me what Messier did again in '97. Is he any less a Captain for trying to maximize his earnings?

Callahan hasn't threatened anyone. What do you expect his agent to come out and say, by the way?



Negotiating is a part of business.
If you read the whole thing you would have seen I said really this and Dubi holding out shouldn't matter because those are business decisions, and agents not the players make business decisions.

But if you reject that for some reason you should expect his agent to keep things private instead of going to the media about how negotiations are going.

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I didn't read the article, just what was quoted in the OP, but where's the pot shot at Richards?

I'm not worried about Callahan at the moment, but I definitely do think this will be a relatively active RFA season. There are definitely going to be a few surprises.

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