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Sens Board Prospect Rankings (2nd)

View Poll Results: Vote for our #2 prospect
Mika Zibanejad 12 8.22%
Jared Cowen 82 56.16%
Robin Lehner 41 28.08%
Nikita Filatov 10 6.85%
Matthew Puempel 0 0%
Stefan Noesen 0 0%
Jakob Silfverberg 0 0%
Bobby Butler 1 0.68%
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06-29-2011, 12:52 PM
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I don't project Cowen as a #1 d-man, but he certainly has the potential to be one in the mold of a Shea Weber, the same way Lehner has the potential to be another King Henrik. Doubt either reach that level, but the potential is there.

What swayed me to Cowen is that WORST case, I see him a bigger and tougher version of Chris Phillips. That in itself is an incredibly valuable commodity. The other guys have a bit more risk to them at this point.

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Voted Cowen accidentally, wanted to vote Lehner if that even matters.

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06-29-2011, 03:42 PM
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Lehner was the AHL playoff MVP. Great, but he didn't manage to win the starting job till the playoffs started.

Cowen had a stellar year in the WHL, then jumped into the AHL playoffs and continued that great play. He's looking more and more NHL ready, certainly more so than Lehner.

Not to knock Lehner, I think he's gonna be great, but I personally think Cowen is ready to enter the NHL right now.

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06-30-2011, 12:30 AM
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How the hell is Lehner not running away with this? Cowen is unbelievable but AHL playoff MVP>>>>>>>>Cowen

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06-30-2011, 01:14 AM
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Lehner was my number 1. So I voted for him again.

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06-30-2011, 01:31 AM
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How the hell is Lehner not running away with this? Cowen is unbelievable but AHL playoff MVP>>>>>>>>Cowen
I've seen both play and while Lehner may have a higher ceiling, he has a longer ways to get there. Cowen is NHL-ready and in a big way. In five years Lehner might be a better player, but that's if 10/10 things to according to script. Cowen has fewer holes to patch in his game in the meantime, meaning he's more likely to reach his ceiling than Lehner.

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06-30-2011, 01:58 AM
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I've seen both play and while Lehner may have a higher ceiling, he has a longer ways to get there. Cowen is NHL-ready and in a big way. In five years Lehner might be a better player, but that's if 10/10 things to according to script. Cowen has fewer holes to patch in his game in the meantime, meaning he's more likely to reach his ceiling than Lehner.
I'm sorry but is this about most NHL ready or one who has proven the most and has the highest potential?

Cowen had a spectacular year in the WHL but Lehner won the MVP at the age of 19 against a MUCH tougher league in the AHL. Two different scenarios.

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Cowen had a spectacular year in the WHL but Lehner won the MVP at the age of 19 against a MUCH tougher league in the AHL. Two different scenarios.
You realize Cowen was on that team too, right?

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I'm sorry but is this about most NHL ready or one who has proven the most and has the highest potential?
It's about expected value, which is a combination of potential and likelihood to reach that potential.

87 suited has higher 'potential' than pocket aces, but everyone would rather be dealt pocket aces.

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06-30-2011, 02:57 AM
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You realize Cowen was on that team too, right?
Did he also win playoff MVP?

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Filatov is being criminally underrated.

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I'm sorry but is this about most NHL ready or one who has proven the most and has the highest potential?

Cowen had a spectacular year in the WHL but Lehner won the MVP at the age of 19 against a MUCH tougher league in the AHL. Two different scenarios.
What does Cowen have to prove? Calder Cup and Memorial Cup winner, both as a rookie. He stepped in as Bingo's number 1 defenseman basically. A shutdown defenseman is never going to win an MVP award so I don't think it's fair to hold that against him.

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I voted for the first euro born goalie to win the Calder Cup and MVP as a teenager. History has been made

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06-30-2011, 04:16 AM
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Cowen looks he has Robyn Regehr upside while Lehner has Lundqvist upside but is much less likely to reach it.

I prefer the prospect with the higher ceiling so I went with Robin.

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Filatov is being criminally overrated by everyone on HFSens.
Fixed.

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Filatov is being criminally underrated.
Then why was he traded for just a third round pick?

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Then why was he traded for just a third round pick?
Because he asked for a trade and wasnt working in Columbus?

Why was he drafted higher than any other prospect on this list not named Mika?

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You realize Cowen was on that team too, right?



It's about expected value, which is a combination of potential and likelihood to reach that potential.

87 suited has higher 'potential' than pocket aces, but everyone would rather be dealt pocket aces.
87 suited has the potential of a straight flush, Pocket aces has the potential of a Royal flush, so pocket aces win on both accounts (there are 4 community cards), at least in Texas holdem, which I assume you are referring. But the point comes across the same, you want the combination of potential and likelihood to reach said potential.

edit: stupid lack of morning coffee... I meant 5 community cards


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Because he asked for a trade and wasnt working in Columbus?
So, if he is still such a top-tier prospect why couldn't they get at least a late first rounder for him?

Filatov was drafted 6th overall and has been a complete disappointment since. Cowen was drafted 9th overall and is developing right on track. It's pretty clear who is the better prospect.

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87 suited has the potential of a straight flush, Pocket aces has the potential of a Royal flush, so pocket aces win on both accounts (there are 4 community cards), at least in Texas holdem, which I assume you are referring. But the point comes across the same, you want the combination of potential and likelihood to reach said potential.
Okay, point taken... you could also call me on the fact that 87s is a slight favorite against AA heads-up, but it was meant to be a loose analogy

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Okay, point taken... you could also call me on the fact that 87s is a slight favorite against AA heads-up, but it was meant to be a loose analogy
Wait… what? Since when? Have I been playing poker all wrong? How do you have a higher chance of winning with suited connectors than with a pocket pair?

Sorry I know this thread has something to do with hockey but this really bothers me.

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Wait… what? Since when? Have I been playing poker all wrong? How do you have a higher chance of winning with suited connectors than with a pocket pair?
They don't, sorry. Sleep-deprived when I posted that, must have been thinking for a good flop or omaha or something.

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Wait… what? Since when? Have I been playing poker all wrong? How do you have a higher chance of winning with suited connectors than with a pocket pair?

Sorry I know this thread has something to do with hockey but this really bothers me.
I'm not 100% sure, but if both of the suited connectors are overcards I believe your chances are higher, or at least close to even.

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