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06-30-2011, 06:04 AM
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Well, I was excited to see us take a shot at frontloading a 7.60m for four 1sts around 12-14 years long. I thought that'd be worth it.

Then I started to think a little more about it when we moved to about 8.00m.

Then I started to get a little nervous around 8.50m.

Once it hit around 9.00m I was ready to jump off this ship. Now that the rumor is reaching 9.58m, I'm officially not okay with going after Stamkos anymore.

Offer 8.50m at the max, preferably closer to 8.00m, and see if they bite. If they match, just move on. At a point it becomes not worth it.
At $8.5M for Stamkos, we can craft the perfect roster, both now, and for the future:
-Trade Hartnell for w/e we can get (3rd rounder?) Cheap backup defenseman?
-Trade Carle for a late 1st or early 2nd (his value should be at a premium because the UFA market for young offensive defensemen is so ridiculously thin this year).
- Sign Gags
- Sign Marcel Goc for the 3rd line... perfect mix for 3rd line center... he's got speed, he wins faceoffs @ a good clip, he kills penalties well, can play the PP, and likes to check.
-Re-sign O'Donnell or go w/ a guy like Brent Sopel (excellent defenseman on the PK).

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Steven Stamkos ($8.500m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m)
Simon Gagne ($3.000m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.700m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Marcel Goc ($1.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($2.100m)
Ben Holmstrom ($0.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
/ Tom Sestito ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Sean O'Donnell ($1.300m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,653,928; BONUSES: $1,825,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $646,072


You end up with:
-one of the top #1 scoring lines in the NHL
-An excellent 2nd scoring line w/ tons of talent
-An ideal 3rd line / shutdown line w/ three great two-way forwards. There is also some good offensive production on that line
-A 4th line that's... well, it's the 4th line, what do you want? lol
-3 above-average defensive pairings
-Stacked goaltending (both now (Bryzgalov) and for the future (Bobrovsky)).

You leave Schenn and Couturier both in the minors / juniors because their contracts will both slide another year (delaying their respective forays into free agency), which will allow us to keep them at a cheap price while we are re-signing Giroux / JVR in their UFA years.

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06-30-2011, 06:26 AM
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Why can't you guys take a shot at Richards first, then offersheet Stamkos if that doesn't work out? I'm sure he'd hold off on signing a contract for a few days, it's not like he gains anything by signing on July 1st. IMO the 7 day window is a non-issue because the Flyers can do their shopping first then offersheet afterwards. Besides, once July 1st passes, free agency slows down a lot. You can find depth players a week later without any problem.

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Why can't you guys take a shot at Richards first, then offersheet Stamkos if that doesn't work out? I'm sure he'd hold off on signing a contract for a few days, it's not like he gains anything by signing on July 1st. IMO the 7 day window is a non-issue because the Flyers can do their shopping first then offersheet afterwards. Besides, once July 1st passes, free agency slows down a lot. You can find depth players a week later without any problem.
Sure, the Flyers will hopefully look first and see if any players fit the bill. I don't think we're going to chase Richards though. Stamkos is a long shot to get a crazy good player for a long time. I think otherwise they let this team mature for a couple years on the offensive side, and for that we'd only add about $4-5 million more in a player.

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06-30-2011, 06:32 AM
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Why can't you guys take a shot at Richards first, then offersheet Stamkos if that doesn't work out? I'm sure he'd hold off on signing a contract for a few days, it's not like he gains anything by signing on July 1st. IMO the 7 day window is a non-issue because the Flyers can do their shopping first then offersheet afterwards. Besides, once July 1st passes, free agency slows down a lot. You can find depth players a week later without any problem.
The organization is interested in youth if we're signing anyone long-term. Richards does not fit into that equation because he's older and will be looking at more than 5 years.

On top of that, I don't feel Richards is worth the 6.50+m he will command.

Not that Stamkos is necessarily worth 8.00+m, but I don't really consider Richards to be "elite" like everyone else does. I consider Richards overrated.

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06-30-2011, 06:37 AM
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I'll be pissed if we pay Stamkos more than ****ing Sidney Crosby. Throw him a gigantic, long term, front-loaded sheet with a cap hit of $8.5M. If it works out, good. If it doesn't, at least we didn't cripple our team.

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06-30-2011, 06:45 AM
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Honestly, for once I'm extremely thrilled to not have to listen to hoards of HFers after our best players because we're in "cap hell."

It got old very quickly.

Getting Stamkos means a welcoming back of everything we hated about people begging us for Richards and Carter at discount prices.

Is Stamkos worth the headache? I'm starting to side with no.
I am glad you are coming around to my side on this. We just got out of cap hell. We have picks,we have young players, we have a promising future. Lets just stay the course!

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From that superfan guy with flyers tattoos on his head :

Take this with a grain of salt but I'm listening to the over night show on 610 WIP and there is a rumor that Steven Stamkos was spotted in Sea Isle looking for a house. #Flyers

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From that superfan guy with flyers tattoos on his head :

Take this with a grain of salt but I'm listening to the over night show on 610 WIP and there is a rumor that Steven Stamkos was spotted in Sea Isle looking for a house. #Flyers
An hour and a half commute to Voorhees for practice?

Yeah, even if it was him, I don't buy that it had anything to do with the Flyers.

Call me if he's spotted in Haddonfield.

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From that superfan guy with flyers tattoos on his head :

Take this with a grain of salt but I'm listening to the over night show on 610 WIP and there is a rumor that Steven Stamkos was spotted in Sea Isle looking for a house. #Flyers
That is absolutely ridiculous. The Flyers haven't even sent him the damn offer sheet yet.

Chris- If he were to buy a house in Sea Isle, Avalon, or wherever, it would be his beach house, not his primary residence.

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From that superfan guy with flyers tattoos on his head :

Take this with a grain of salt but I'm listening to the over night show on 610 WIP and there is a rumor that Steven Stamkos was spotted in Sea Isle looking for a house. #Flyers
Maybe he can buy Carter's house...

Anyway why is it always a house? Same thing said about Bryzgalov ...was it ever confirmed he bought? This just sounds far fetched but its been a crazy summer.

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That is absolutely ridiculous. The Flyers haven't even sent him the damn offer sheet yet.

Chris- If he were to buy a house in Sea Isle, Avalon, or wherever, it would be his beach house, not his primary residence.

LOL I think it may be someone joking around but I figured I'd pass it along. He didn't say he was joking though.

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That is absolutely ridiculous. The Flyers haven't even sent him the damn offer sheet yet.

Chris- If he were to buy a house in Sea Isle, Avalon, or wherever, it would be his beach house, not his primary residence.
If he has a house in Tampa...

Why not just keep it?

The shore is nice and all, but why would you buy a beach house in NJ if you already have one in freaking Florida?

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If he has a house in Tampa...

Why not just keep it?

The shore is nice and all, but why would you buy a beach house in NJ if you already have one in freaking Florida?
1. He'd be living in the Philadelphia suburbs of Philadelphia.
2. He'd be swimming in cash.
3. He can keep his house in Florida if he chooses.
4. The jersey shore is a little bit closer than Florida.

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Stamkos is probably just trolling the **** out of Carter.

"Hey Jeff, while you're in Columbus...."


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Kind of OT but with all this talk about rfas and Stamkos, is anyone beginning to get concerned that we haven't signed Voracek or Simmonds yet? Both can be offersheeted for 3 million while only risking a 2nd round pick in compensation, and I think we can all agree that 3 million is more than we want to pay, and both of these guys are worth more than a 1st

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I know we just lost Richards and Carter as significant contributing forwards, but imagine if Schenn and Couturier both make this roster. It's definitely possible.
6+M for two rookies?? typical Holmgren cap management...

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1. He'd be living in the Philadelphia suburbs of Philadelphia.
2. He'd be swimming in cash.
3. He can keep his house in Florida if he chooses.
4. The jersey shore is a little bit closer than Florida.
Equally plausible?

He just signed an extension in Tampa that has yet to be announced, and he's in Sea Isle because he just loves the people, the atmosphere, the everything that the Jersey Shore has to offer. Damn right he's seen the commercials.

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Equally plausible?

He just signed an extension in Tampa that has yet to be announced, and he's in Sea Isle because he just loves the people, the atmosphere, the everything that the Jersey Shore has to offer. Damn right he's seen the commercials.
I'm not saying he is in Sea Isle right now, because he isn't. I'm saying, if he signed here, there's no reason he wouldn't be interested in getting beach house.

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Why can't you guys take a shot at Richards first, then offersheet Stamkos if that doesn't work out?
Richards is 10 years older. Stamkos is both now & future. Richards would be a diminishing return. Homer should be fired if he goes after Richards.

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6+M for two rookies?? typical Holmgren cap management...
Huh?

Is this sarcasm?

If serious: Damn Holmgren for acquiring 2 blue chip prospects? Really?

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Huh?

Is this sarcasm?

If serious: Damn Holmgren for acquiring 2 blue chip prospects? Really?
Or, let them (or at least Couturier) develop a little more and find a veteran with the same or lesser cap hit who can have a greater impact rather than rush a guy.

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6+M for two rookies?? typical Holmgren cap management...

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Or, let them (or at least Couturier) develop a little more and find a veteran with the same or lesser cap hit who can have a greater impact rather than rush a guy.
If Couturier makes the roster it's because he's made the roster. You don't hold a kid back because of cap concerns if he's ready.

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If Couturier makes the roster it's because he's made the roster. You don't hold a kid back because of cap concerns if he's ready.
Ah... Yes, you hold the kid back due to cap concerns if it makes the team better.

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Long-time reader, first-time poster here...

What do we think the chances are that all of this very public speculation is simply designed to drive up Stamkos's contract with TB? If the Flyers were actually intent on getting him through an OS, wouldn't it be more prudent to be a little less leaky with potential terms?

Certainly the prospect of a 12/115 offer must give Stamkos and co. pause, but doesn't the absence of an actual offer sheet and the very public wavering / indecision seem more likely to drive TB's offer up ahead of July 1 than delay a resolution?

In other words, if the Flyers were really serious about trying to acquire Stamkos, wouldn't all of this be a little less public?

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