HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Gomez trade in the works? LEGIT SOURCES ONLY (Part II)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-30-2011, 07:35 AM
  #151
Coldplay
Courage
 
Coldplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,356
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WestIslander View Post
Gomez trade is possible and Gauthier has spoken to three teams already!

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/mtl110628.html
Welcome to two days ago.

Coldplay is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 07:46 AM
  #152
HabsFan1983
Registered User
 
HabsFan1983's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 7
vCash: 500
Gomez won't be traded...no one wants to take on such a horrible contract

HabsFan1983 is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 07:54 AM
  #153
OpenIceHit
Registered User
 
OpenIceHit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HabsFan1983 View Post
Gomez won't be traded...no one wants to take on such a horrible contract
Not only his contract. He's the type of player who make you lose games. He was terrible last year. Hopefully this will change but if he stays the same player, trading Gomez is an addition by substraction.

OpenIceHit is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 08:18 AM
  #154
jrk
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 59
vCash: 500
Gomez value will be higher next year. In one year from now, if Lars Eller is good enough and if Louis Leblanc is nhl ready or if we can acquire someone on the market, Gomez will be traded.

I can see a team struggling financialy trying to acquire Gomez to pay less then the minimum cap hit.

jrk is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 08:38 AM
  #155
couris
Registered User
 
couris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 2,988
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenIceHit View Post
Not only his contract. He's the type of player who make you lose games. He was terrible last year. Hopefully this will change but if he stays the same player, trading Gomez is an addition by substraction.
He was beyond terrible. Beyond garbage.

couris is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 08:43 AM
  #156
HabsRealist
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 102
vCash: 500
Where oh where are all the knobs who defended Gainey for one of the top 5 worst trades ever ( and people knew it was 5 minutes after it happened ) ??

Where have you people gone ???

Gomez will be taken by some teams who dont want to spend to the cap. But, we wont get anything for him and really nothing is deserved.

Noone is now as dumb as Gainey once was.

HabsRealist is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 08:46 AM
  #157
Coldplay
Courage
 
Coldplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,356
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HabsRealist View Post
Where oh where are all the knobs who defended Gainey for one of the top 5 worst trades ever ( and people knew it was 5 minutes after it happened ) ??

Where have you people gone ???

Gomez will be taken by some teams who dont want to spend to the cap. But, we wont get anything for him and really nothing is deserved.

Noone is now as dumb as Gainey once was.
Your username is ironic, considering the content of your post.

Last I checked, we made the ECF for the first time in 18 years with Gomez in our top 6 producing at nearly a point per game pace during that time and the Rangers missed the playoffs once they dumped Gomez and signed Gaborik.

How's that for being a "realist"?

Coldplay is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 08:58 AM
  #158
habitue*
 
habitue*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,252
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldplay View Post
Your username is ironic, considering the content of your post.

Last I checked, we made the ECF for the first time in 18 years with Gomez in our top 6 producing at nearly a point per game pace during that time and the Rangers missed the playoffs once they dumped Gomez and signed Gaborik.

How's that for being a "realist"?
Gomez did great between the posts, and blocked so many shots.... He was alone on the ice.

habitue* is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:00 AM
  #159
gusfring
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 6,244
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HabsFan1983 View Post
Gomez won't be traded...no one wants to take on such a horrible contract
He could be "buried" but that would hurt the bottom line way too much.

gusfring is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:06 AM
  #160
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 33,081
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HabsFan1983 View Post
Gomez won't be traded...no one wants to take on such a horrible contract
I'm sure Hawks fans said the same about Campbell and someone took him. Bottom line is teams like the Islanders and Avalanche need to get to the minimum cap and players won't be signing there in the off season so they will have to do it via trades and players like Gomez will be targets believe it or not(not saying he will be moved) but those types of players are perfect for those teams especially next year for a guy like Gomez 7.5 against the cap making 4 million or something like that

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:07 AM
  #161
crazyd
Canada is hockey
 
crazyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,087
vCash: 500
Keep Gomez, Get Richards

Even if there seems to be an opportunity to trade Gomez to a cellar cap team, it could still be a better move to keep him.

With the recent events, I played with the roster:

[ FORWARDS ]
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Scottie Upshall ($2.700m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.500m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Ryan White ($0.850m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)

[ DEFENSEMEN ]
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Josh Gorges ($2.400m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)
Paul Mara ($0.750m)

[ GOALTENDERS ]
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,712,176; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $8,587,824

So the 8.5M$ of cap space was intriguing to me taking into account Spacek is moved for a bag of pucks. Enough space for Richards?

[ FORWARDS ]
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Scottie Upshall ($2.700m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Brad Richards ($8.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Ryan White ($0.850m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.500m)

[ DEFENSEMEN ]
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Josh Gorges ($2.400m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)
Paul Mara ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,712,176; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $587,824

Why do this? With a minimum disturbance to the roster with provide less pressure on Gomez which will elevate his value. We can then trade him in much better circumstances next season.

If you want more flexibility cap wize then trade Moen and your cap jumps to 2M$

For the 2012-2013 season, our roster would be with potentially the departure of Gill:

[ FORWARDS ]
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Scottie Upshall ($2.700m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Brad Richards ($8.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Aaron Palushaj ($0.883m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.500m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Ryan White ($0.850m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)

[ DEFENSEMEN ]
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Josh Gorges ($2.400m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

[ GOALTENDERS ]
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $53,488,366; BONUSES: $487,500
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $10,811,634

So nearly 12M$ to resign Price and Subban. Plus other signings to fill gaps in the lineup and the addition of Palushaj and/or Engqvist.


Last edited by crazyd: 06-30-2011 at 09:25 AM.
crazyd is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:09 AM
  #162
Ozymandias
#firetherrien
 
Ozymandias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Hockey Mecca
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,438
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldplay View Post
Your username is ironic, considering the content of your post.

Last I checked, we made the ECF for the first time in 18 years with Gomez in our top 6 producing at nearly a point per game pace during that time and the Rangers missed the playoffs once they dumped Gomez and signed Gaborik.

How's that for being a "realist"?
That's the kind of fan who could teach Bob Gainey a thing or two on how to bake bread.

Oh, and there's another one just after your quote.

Ozymandias is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:12 AM
  #163
Coldplay
Courage
 
Coldplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,356
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
That's the kind of fan who could teach Bob Gainey a thing or two on how to bake bread.

Oh, and there's another one just after your quote.
Touche, touche.

Coldplay is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:12 AM
  #164
larek
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,304
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldplay View Post
Your username is ironic, considering the content of your post.

Last I checked, we made the ECF for the first time in 18 years with Gomez in our top 6 producing at nearly a point per game pace during that time and the Rangers missed the playoffs once they dumped Gomez and signed Gaborik.

How's that for being a "realist"?
so why is Gauthier trying to give away Gomez to any team that will listen??---
the gomez aquisition possibly top 5 worst trade in habs history
has- to be one of sathers best trades ever made- gets rid of one of the worst contracts in the NHL plus gets a Young Dman who in his first nhl season shows he could potentially be a top 4 Dman and ends the season with a plus 16-

larek is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:14 AM
  #165
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 33,081
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
That's the kind of fan who could teach Bob Gainey a thing or two on how to bake bread.

Oh, and there's another one just after your quote.
Maybe they will sign in Toronto tomorrow!!!

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:17 AM
  #166
Coldplay
Courage
 
Coldplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,356
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by larek View Post
so why is Gauthier trying to give away Gomez to any team that will listen??---
the gomez aquisition possibly top 5 worst trade in habs history
has- to be one of sathers best trades ever made- gets rid of one of the worst contracts in the NHL plus gets a Young Dman who in his first nhl season shows he could potentially be a top 4 Dman and ends the season with a plus 16-
I never claimed Gomez had a good contract.

It's no secret his cap money can be better spent elsewhere, but it's not like we're strapped for space either, which is why all this talk about getting rid of him is moot unless he turns in another dismal season, at which point he'll definitely be dead weight (I'm willing to bet last season was an aberration in an otherwise consistent career).

Coldplay is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:33 AM
  #167
larek
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,304
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldplay View Post
I never claimed Gomez had a good contract.

It's no secret his cap money can be better spent elsewhere, but it's not like we're strapped for space either, which is why all this talk about getting rid of him is moot unless he turns in another dismal season, at which point he'll definitely be dead weight (I'm willing to bet last season was an aberration in an otherwise consistent career).
it was a real bad trade that turned even worse when McDonagh played as well as he did in his first NHL season--- thats plain to see
Gomez is going to have to rebound big time to make this sorry -ugly transaction look a bit better- will that happen? i wouldnt bet much on it-
just wanted to add- Gainey made some brutal moves as HABS GM- Gomez was dead weight the day he was aquired

larek is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:39 AM
  #168
onice
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Montreal
Posts: 5,455
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldplay View Post
Your username is ironic, considering the content of your post.

Last I checked, we made the ECF for the first time in 18 years with Gomez in our top 6 producing at nearly a point per game pace during that time and the Rangers missed the playoffs once they dumped Gomez and signed Gaborik.

How's that for being a "realist"?
Yeah when we think of the Habs' ECF presence the first thing that leaps to mind is Gomez's contribution. His presence completely dwarfs Halak's, Cammy's, Gionta's, Gorges', Hamrlik's, Spacek's. Plek's and Gill's. We won't even mention the coaching staff's contributions.

Please gimme an effing break. If you had claimed that in last year's playoffs he was not a drag on the Habs you would have had a decent argument but to imply that his presence on the team somehow brought them to the conference finals is beyond funny. It's ludicrous. Gomez has become a mediocre 2nd line centerman who is being paid elite money. His numbers last year reflect the fact that he leeches off his team mates.

He has been doing that since he moved to New York and this year displays the fact that he can't even leech anymore. He has become a black hole. Anyone who plays with him suffers terribly. Forget the fact that he was not in playing condition this year; forget the fact that his offensive creativity has diminished to the level of a Pyatt. We'll excuse him of all that. But when he starts to drag his team mates down to his level then something must be done. Unfortunately, we will have to keep him. No GM sees him in the light that you do. I wish there were a few that thought as you do.

And for all those that think he will rebound this coming season, I ask you to define rebound. Getting 50-55 points is not rebounding. It's achieving average numbers. We did not trade Higgins, Valentenko & McDonagh for a 55 point centerman. That's if he achieves those numbers but the trend in his totals the past few years tells a different story

60
70
58
59
38

And he will be 32 next year. Gomez is on a downward spiral. That trade by Gainey is not as bad as Houle's trade of Roy but it does come in 3rd ahead of the Chelios & the Ribeiro trade (another Gainey accomplishment).


Last edited by onice: 06-30-2011 at 09:49 AM.
onice is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:41 AM
  #169
Papa_Bear_21
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 392
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by larek View Post
so why is Gauthier trying to give away Gomez to any team that will listen??---
the gomez aquisition possibly top 5 worst trade in habs history
has- to be one of sathers best trades ever made- gets rid of one of the worst contracts in the NHL plus gets a Young Dman who in his first nhl season shows he could potentially be a top 4 Dman and ends the season with a plus 16-
Holy over exaggeration Batman!

- Patrick Roy
- John Leclair, Eric Desjardins
- Chris Chelios
- Pierre Turgeon (when he was traded away)
- Guy Carbonneau
- Mikey Ribs

and that's just off the top of my head and in the last 20 odd years. Don't let "others" cloud your judgement. McDonagh is a good to very good player, but he has not shown any inclination to become a Chris Chelios, for example. He may not even be as good as Eric Desjardins when it's all said and done, but only time will tell.

And please don't forget that with Gomez came Gionta, Cammer, and probably Hal Gill. While they are not superstar players, they have played a HUGE roll in our success the last two years.
People can say what they want about the Canadiens offering more money than others, but in over 15 years of free agency in the NHL, they had NEVER signed a prominent UFA that had not already played with the team. There's no way 2 all of sudden sign here with 37 point Tomas Pleckanec as the #1 center and a team that essentially imploded in the second half of season.

Now, not only having those players had a positive result on the success of the team, having Gionta and Cammer also allowed Patches to play in Hamilton at the end of the '08-'09 season and the beginning of the '09-'10 season, which potentially saved his career (as a first line player that is). Furthermore, I don't think anyone can debate the effect Hal Gill had on PK Subban, who is on his way to becoming a mega star.

So the way I see it, the Habs traded McDonagh for Gomez, Cammer, Gionta, Gill, the development of Patches into a legitimate top 6 forward (and maybe power forward) and the maturity of PK Subban. Doesn't look like the "top 5 worst trade" in team history to me.

Papa_Bear_21 is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:44 AM
  #170
Ozymandias
#firetherrien
 
Ozymandias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Hockey Mecca
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,438
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by larek View Post
it was a real bad trade that turned even worse when McDonagh played as well as he did in his first NHL season--- thats plain to see
Gomez is going to have to rebound big time to make this sorry -ugly transaction look a bit better- will that happen? i wouldnt bet much on it-
just wanted to add- Gainey made some brutal moves as HABS GM- Gomez was dead weight the day he was aquired
O'Byrne also had a terrific rookie season (+9 in 37 games) only to fail so much afterwards. Let's talk of McDonagh in a year or two from now. I can name you a ton of Dmen who had similar rookie season that McD had only to fall into relative obscurity afterwards.

For now, all NY got was a washed-up Higgins who didn't last long, and a rookie who is doing fairly well for now.

Ozymandias is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:45 AM
  #171
habitue*
 
habitue*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,252
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
O'Byrne also had a terrific rookie season (+9 in 37 games) only to fail so much afterwards. Let's talk of McDonagh in a year or two from now. I can name you a ton of Dmen who had similar rookie season that McD had only to fall into relative obscurity afterwards.

For now, all NY got was a washed-up Higgins who didn't last long, and a rookie who is doing fairly well for now.
Maybe you don't remember that McDonough was a high first round pick. Not O'B.

habitue* is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:46 AM
  #172
onice
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Montreal
Posts: 5,455
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
That's the kind of fan who could teach Bob Gainey a thing or two on how to bake bread.
Maybe not bread but playing the piano.

The Ribeiro & Gomez trades show that Gainey was a great player but knew as much about managing as he did about baking bread.

onice is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:50 AM
  #173
Papa_Bear_21
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 392
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by onice View Post
Yeah when we think of that the Habs' ECF presence the first thing that leaps to mind is Gomez's contribution. His presence completely dwarfs Halak's, Cammy's, Gionta's, Gorges', Hamrlik's, Spacek's. Plek's and Gill's. We won't even mention the coaching staff's contributions.

Please gimme an effing break. If you had claimed that in last year's playoffs he was not a drag on the Habs you would have had a decent argument but to imply that his presence on the team somehow brought them to the conference finals is beyond funny. It's ludicrous. Gomez has become a mediocre 2nd line centerman who is being paid elite money. His numbers last year reflect the fact that he leeches off his team mates.

He has been doing that since he moved to New York and this year displays the fact that he can't even leech anymore. He has become a black hole. Anyone who plays with him suffers terribly. Forget the fact that he was not in playing condition this year; forget the fact that his offensive creativity has diminished to the level of a Pyatt. We'll excuse him of all that. But when he starts to drag his team mates down to his level then something must be done. Unfortunately, we will have to keep him. No GM sees him in the light that you do. I wish there were a few that thought as you do.

And for all those that think he will rebound this coming season, I ask you to define rebound. Getting 50-55 points is not rebounding. It's achieving average numbers. We did not trade Higgins, Valentenko & McDonagh for a 55 point centerman. That's if he achieves those numbers but the trend in his totals the past few years tells a different story

60
70
58
59
38

And he will be 32 next year. Gomez is on a downward spiral. That trade by Gainey is not as bad as Houle's trade of Roy but it does come in 2nd ahead of the Chelios & the Ribeiro trade (another Gainey accomplishment).
Ummm, I don't want to sound disrespectful but, what? That comment does not even make any sense.
Chelios scored almost as many points in his first three years with Chicago as Denis Savard scored in his three years as a Hab. Oh and Chelios ended up playing 14 more seasons and built the majority of his hall of fame career after he left Montreal. As a Pierre McGuire sometimes says 'You should give your heads a shake!'.

Papa_Bear_21 is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:51 AM
  #174
CGG
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: 416
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,248
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by onice View Post
Maybe not bread but playing the piano.

The Ribeiro & Gomez trades show that Gainey was a great player but knew as much about managing as he did about baking bread.
The Rivet for Gorges & Pacioretty trade says he did just fine.

CGG is offline  
Old
06-30-2011, 09:59 AM
  #175
larek
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,304
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
O'Byrne also had a terrific rookie season (+9 in 37 games) only to fail so much afterwards. Let's talk of McDonagh in a year or two from now. I can name you a ton of Dmen who had similar rookie season that McD had only to fall into relative obscurity afterwards.

For now, all NY got was a washed-up Higgins who didn't last long, and a rookie who is doing fairly well for now.
LOL you forgot to mention they also got rid of one of the worst contracts in the NHL-
it was a bad trade and continues to be one- you could see that when the deal was made!
hey but some liked the deal and some didnt- i was one of the ones who didnt-
i watched obyrne play and McD play- no comparison btween the 2 - McD is by far the better player better skills -better hockey sense-


Last edited by larek: 06-30-2011 at 10:05 AM.
larek is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:21 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.