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06-30-2011, 06:19 PM
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this isn't the usual flyers team though. Our forwards all dont have to be very good defensive players to help out our shotty goalie. With the defense and bryz in net we should be more than capable of locking it down.
Dont disagree the goalie helps, however, if you watched any of the Boston/TB series you will see that it doesnt matter who the goalie is if guys are parked in front of the net....Even Thomas gave up 4+ four times, Roloson who was better than Thomas up until that series did the same and got pulled....Patrick Roy and Brian Boucher are equal if they cant see the puck....Our terrible defense from the forward (with Carter and Richards) was a big cause of that...Boston and Buffalo pushed us around. We can get by in the regular season, not the playoffs...Its something that can be easily addressed, but it needs to be addressed

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06-30-2011, 06:23 PM
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Which is a major problem at the moment...
Granted... more so than a week ago at this time. But all the more reason to have more depth a D while the Forwards' (read Schenn) two-way game develop back to form, IMO.

Now, I guess we can look for a veteran two-way Forward to be added along with a possible sniper... and someone could suggest Mesz could be moved to clear space for that... but then Mesz would still have to be replaced, so..............

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06-30-2011, 06:23 PM
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this isn't the usual flyers team though. Our forwards all dont have to be very good defensive players to help out our shotty goalie. With the defense and bryz in net we should be more than capable of locking it down.
Now that we are out of the Stammer race, our team should look something like:

Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Versteeg (3.08)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Nodl (0.85)
Simmonds (2.00) - Schenn (3.11) - Voracek (2.50)
Sestito (0.55) - Betts (0.60) - Shelley (1.10)
Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)

Even with Shelley in the lineup, we have 3.60m in cap space to screw with. That's a nice chunk of change.

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06-30-2011, 06:25 PM
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You could probably take out Kane and it would still be a decent return, if you assume Winnipeg will be back in top-10 next year--given the strength of that draft, right?
Why sign Bryz if you aren't looking to contend this year? It doesn't make sense. Trading Meszaros for more unproven/young players would be giving up on this year.

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06-30-2011, 06:26 PM
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Now that we are out of the Stammer race, our team should look something like:

Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Versteeg (3.08)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Nodl (0.85)
Simmonds (2.00) - Schenn (3.11) - Voracek (2.50)
Sestito (0.55) - Betts (0.60) - Shelley (1.10)
Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)

Even with Shelley in the lineup, we have 3.60m in cap space to screw with. That's a nice chunk of change.
voracek and simmonds together will not make 4.5 million

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06-30-2011, 06:28 PM
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Why sign Bryz if you aren't looking to contend this year? It doesn't make sense. Trading Meszaros for more unproven/young players would be giving up on this year.
Build from the goalie up! 9 years, plenty of time to tinker and find the right combo in front of him.

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voracek and simmonds together will not make 4.5 million
Why won't they? Those salaries should be relatively close as to what they will actually make.

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This would suck. I love Mez.

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06-30-2011, 06:31 PM
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Now that we are out of the Stammer race, our team should look something like:

Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Versteeg (3.08)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Nodl (0.85)
Simmonds (2.00) - Schenn (3.11) - Voracek (2.50)
Sestito (0.55) - Betts (0.60) - Shelley (1.10)
Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)

Even with Shelley in the lineup, we have 3.60m in cap space to screw with. That's a nice chunk of change.
Swap Voracek and Versteeg and I like it!

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06-30-2011, 06:42 PM
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Why won't they? Those salaries should be relatively close as to what they will actually make.
together I hear they will make around 3.5 million, remember they are young and RFA, I would say around 1.7-2.1 is what they both sign for.

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Anthony SanFilippo is reporting that it is suggested by The Sun to free up Cap space for Brad Richards.

... But I again ask; why Mesz? Why a D-man?

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06-30-2011, 06:55 PM
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Why trade Mez when we can just dump Carle?

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Anthony SanFilippo is reporting that it is suggested by The Sun to free up Cap space for Brad Richards.

... But I again ask; why Mesz? Why a D-man?
They have 5 top 4 dman so it makes sense....but why you would move Mez over Carle is baffling...Carle must have pictures of someone

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They have 5 top 4 dman so it makes sense....but why you would move Mez over Carle is baffling...Carle must have pictures of someone
Okay, then I'll put it his way; why build up a deep D-unit and then move one that is locked up for a few years and won the Flyers' Barry Asbee Award? Why break up the depth and risk the Postseason problem they had in the past and fear? Why not move a Forward to bring in a better one?

...Again makes little sense to me.

EDIT: It has been proven that rotating the four when all are healthy and replacing one when one is hurt worked out pretty well... and Mesz allows Pronger and Kimmo to play less minutes when all are healthy.

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Okay, then I'll put it his way; why build up a deep D-unit and then move one that is locked up for a few years and won the Flyers' Barry Asbee Award? Why break up the depth and risk the Postseason problem they had in the past and fear? Why not move a Forward to bring in a better one?

...Again makes little sense to me.
Why trade the two guys you have built your team around the past 5 years??? I dont know....I am not disagreeing with you, but if history is any indication, this organization rarely does what makes sense. I am just saying that you dont necessarily need a $4 million third pairing dman anymore with Bryz here.

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06-30-2011, 07:15 PM
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I am just saying that you dont necessarily need a $4 million third pairing dman anymore with Bryz here.
You might if your top two defensemen are 36.

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voracek and simmonds together will not make 4.5 million
I think 4.5M is a good figure to build around for them. If they sign for less, then great if they sign for more, then overpayment. In truth I think you could point to the TJ Oshie contract and the Chad Larose contract as comparables to Voracek and Simmonds, respectively.

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06-30-2011, 07:19 PM
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Why trade the two guys you have built your team around the past 5 years??? I dont know....I am not disagreeing with you, but if history is any indication, this organization rarely does what makes sense. I am just saying that you dont necessarily need a $4 million third pairing dman anymore with Bryz here.
Maybe to change the direction of the team and the culture... probably because of things we'll never know the answer to.

With the D... I hope that is not the case.

Sorry if I came across argumentative... really didn't mean to... just trying to discuss why I believe Mesz or another D-man won't be moved.

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06-30-2011, 07:30 PM
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You might if your top two defensemen are 36.
this.

it's amazing how people don't understand this concept.

if anything, they'll probably add another defenseman to play on the 3rd pairing with Mez, like Hejda.

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this.

it's amazing how people don't understand this concept.

if anything, they'll probably add another defenseman to play on the 3rd pairing with Mez, like Hejda.
We understand the concept, we just don't trust management to do the right thing.

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Anthony SanFilippo is reporting that it is suggested by The Sun to free up Cap space for Brad Richards.

... But I again ask; why Mesz? Why a D-man?
To make your wildest dreams come true...DUH!

Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Leino (2.50)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Voracek (2.50)
Gagne (2.50) - Schenn (3.11) - Versteeg (3.08)
Simmonds (2.00) - Couturier (1.50) - Upshall (2.50)

Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Marshall (0.85) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)

TOTAL: 64.24


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I want to know what pictures Matt Carle is holding over Flyers management that they would trade Carter, Richards and now Mez before him.

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lol, Garrioch is defintely worse than Eklund.

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Panaccio and other Tweeting/blogging about teams having to overpay to get to the Cap floor and Leino and others may get more money elsewhere by a Smaller Market Team having to spend.

I may be missing something but I've never grasped that concept... Seems to me if you are being forced to spend money, rather than overpay players just to reach the floor, why not spend it on a quality player who will make an impact and entertain and draw fans? And spend the money wisely to get the biggest bang for the buck in getting up to the floor... That is by no means a slam on Ville, just an observation... IMO it does nobody any good to drive up the cost of players by overpaying.

This may just keep Leino off the Flyers as he plays the Open Market in hopes of getting his $4M+ that the Flyers don't seem to want t pay him... and IMO rightfully so.

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I want to know what pictures Matt Carle is holding over Flyers management that they would trade Carter, Richards and now Mez before him.
#1 - It is only a rumor about Mesz.

#2 - IMO that is not why Richards and Carter were traded... and there were other forwards that they could have moved.

#3 - The Flyers and supposedly other teams consider Carle at a higher level than you apparently do.

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