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Most Surprising Goalies 1996 - 2001

View Poll Results: Who Surprised You the Most from 1996 - 2001
Roberto Luongo 0 0%
Martin Brodeur 4 9.52%
Dominick Hasek 5 11.90%
Ron Tugnutt 12 28.57%
Patrick Roy 3 7.14%
Patrick Lalime 12 28.57%
Other 6 14.29%
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09-05-2005, 12:14 PM
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Most Surprising Goalies 1996 - 2001

Ahh, back in the days when Joseph ruled the crease in Toronto, Tugnutt blew away all critics, Mike Richter was the man in New York, Vanbiesbrouck took over in Philly, Roy takes Avs to the cup, Irbre shines in Carolina, Hasek dominates in Buffalo, Hedberg comes out of no where in the playoffs for Pittsburgh

Just the good ole days, but who blew you away the most from 1996 - 2001?

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None of the above really surprised me. Brodeur, Hasek, and Roy were always good, Luongo was always highly touted, Lalime came on strong, then vanished (which was surprising), then reappered strong again. Irbe and Tugnutt were solid, but nothing really suprising.

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What is your question about these goalies? Is it who was the best from 1995-96 (or 1996-97) through 2000-01, or who was surprisingly good?

Hasek won four Vezina Trophies during the period. So he would clearly be the best. However, it wasn't much of a surprise because he took that honor for the 1993-94 and 1994-95 seasons.

I guess Tugnutt, who had some awful numbers in Quebec and Montreal, was the most surprising. He had a record of 58-117-24 with a 3.92 goals against and saved only 88.1% of shots-on-goal before his 29th birthday and trade to Ottawa. He put up pretty good numbers and was selected to the 1998-99 All-Star Game.

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I don`t see any of these guys having pulled off anything "surprising" in that span. Hasek, Roy and Brodeur were already considered great goalies. The other three never won even one playoff series in that span.

Somebody like Olaf Kolzig would`ve been a better choice.

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none of those guys won a playoff series in that span.
What do you mean, Tugnutt won with the Pens in 2000, and went 6-5-0 with a 1.76 GAA and .945 SVP% wtih 3 shutouts.

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What do you mean, Tugnutt won with the Pens in 2000, and went 6-5-0 with a 1.76 GAA and .945 SVP% wtih 3 shutouts.
Right, I forgot about Tugnutt`s stay in Pittsburgh. Still he wasn`t anything special. I remember several games at the Corel Centre where Damian Rhodes would get booed unmercifully even when he played well but the fans would never ever think of booing Tugnutt. Rhodes was the only Sens goalie at the time who had ever won a playoff series with them, but Tugnutt was like a little smerf; the fans loved him.

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I know many many of you will not agree, but I think itīs time Chris Osgood is mentioned.

His stats for the Wings in that period were impressive:

1994-95 Detroit Red Wings NHL 19 (GP) 14 (WON) 2.26 0.917 1 (SO)
1995-96 Detroit Red Wings NHL 50 (GP) 39 (WON) 2.17 0.911 5 (SO)
1996-97 Detroit Red Wings NHL 47 (GP) 23 (WON) 2.30 0.910 6 (SO)
1997-98 Detroit Red Wings NHL 64 (GP) 33 (WON) 2.21 0.913 6 (SO)
1998-99 Detroit Red Wings NHL 63 (GP) 34 (WON) 2.42 0.910 3 (SO)
1999-00 Detroit Red Wings NHL 53 (GP) 30 (WON) 2.40 0.907 6 (SO)
2000-01 Detroit Red Wings NHL 52 (GP) 25 (WON) 2.69 0.903 1 (SO)

He has won back-to-back Stanley Cups 1996-1997, 1997-1998

Winner of the William M. Jennings Trophy 1995-96
Second in the Vezina voting, behind Jim Carrey 1995-1996
NHL Second All-Star Team 1996
Played in NHL All-Star Game 1996, 1997, 1998
Shares the record for most wins by a goaltender in one playoff year (16) 1998


Detroit Red Wings:

Holds the record for lowest GAA with 2.40 in 389 games (before Sawchuk)
Holds the record for longest winning streak for a goalie: 13 (Jan. 30-Mar. 20, 1996)
Holds the record for longest unbeaten streak for a goalie: 21 (19 wins, 2 ties, Jan. 10-Mar. 27, 1996)
Second behind Terry Sawchuk (85) with 30 shutouts.
Second behind Terry Sawchuk (734) with 389 games played.
Second behind Terry Sawchuk (352) with 221 games won.

I guess he belongs in the list Most Surprising Goalies 1996 - 2001 .

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Right, I forgot about Tugnutt`s stay in Pittsburgh. Still he wasn`t anything special. I remember several games at the Corel Centre where Damian Rhodes would get booed unmercifully even when he played well but the fans would never ever think of booing Tugnutt. Rhodes was the only Sens goalie at the time who had ever won a playoff series with them, but Tugnutt was like a little smerf; the fans loved him.

Haha yeah, usually Tugnutt is a fan favourite, especially on Ottawa and Columbus. However he got a taste of being the unliked in Dallas. Fans repeatedly bashed him even though he put up good numbers as a back up there in 2002/03, and fair numbers in 2003/04.
1997/98 Ottawa Senators 42(GP) 15-14-8 2.25 GAA .905 SVP% 3 Shutouts
1998/99 Ottawa Senators 43(GP) 22-10-8 1.79 GAA .925 SVP% 3 Shutouts
1999/00 OTT/PITT 51(GP) 22-14-8 2.52 GAA .903 SVP% 4 Shutouts
2000/01 Columbus BJK 53(GP) 22-25-5 2.44 GAA .917 SVP% 4 Shutouts
2001/02 Columbus BJK 44(GP) 12-27-3 2.85 GAA .900 SVP% 4 Shutouts
2002/03 Dallas Stars 31(GP) 15-10-5 2.46 GAA .899 SVP% 4 Shutouts
2003/04 Dallas Stars 12(GP) 03-07-0 2.41 GAA .900 SVP% 1 Shutouts

He seems to average 1 shutout every ten games and I would say that's good for a backup, and has a fair SVPs% and GAA's. His record is one for questioning, however in 03/04 it looks more like this 3-5-0-2.


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The biggest surprises for me was Irbe and Vanbiesbrouck. Irbe with the super old pads hanging there loose stopping puck after puck in the playoffs. The other would have to be Vanbiesbrouck playing out of his mind and having to duck in the goal to avoid flying rubber rats.

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Felix Potvin - I'm surprised that he went from an all-star work horse goalie to the chopped liver he is today.

Curtis Joseph - I'm surprised that he went from a good starting goalie who was a Blues cast off and IHL holdout to being Toronto superstar and NHL darling

Nikolai Khabibulin - I'm surprised that this unheralded, inconsistent young goalie on the Jets developed into the franchise goalie that he is today.

Jim Carey - I'm surprised this guy came out of nowhere to win a Vezina Trophy for Washington and then disappear back into obscurity almost as quickly.

Olaf Kolzig - This guy really emerged as a starter and a star goalie in 1998 after years as a minor leaguer and backup. Jim Carey's fall let him emerge as a number one goalie.

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Originally Posted by Jordoe28
Ahh, back in the days when Joseph ruled the crease in Toronto, Tugnutt blew away all critics, Mike Richter was the man in New York, Vanbiesbrouck took over in Philly, Roy takes Avs to the cup, Irbre shines in Carolina, Hasek dominates in Buffalo, Hedberg comes out of no where in the playoffs for Pittsburgh

Just the good ole days, but who blew you away the most from 1996 - 2001?
Perhaps you are Ron Tugnutt.
Or maybe just a love child, you are certainly enfactuated by the guy.
This is at least the 3rd thread you started where the guy is amongst the tops on your lists.

But aside from that, for a guy who was a career #1a/b guy at best he did come up big for the pens on his payoff drive. The fact that Barasso was on his last hurrah didn't help that trade either. The Sens were robbed blind.


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Voted for "other" as in Byron Dafoe. He was seemingly a castoff from both LA and Washington who came to Boston in 1997 and had 2 or 3 very good seasons in that time period and an outstanding 1998-99 when he was a runner up to Hasek for the Vezina. Dafoe had a .926 sv % and 32 wins including a 1.99 GAA and a league leading 10 shutouts that year. Only Hasek was better that year and unfortunately for Dafoe and the B's they had to face Hasek in the playoffs that year and lost in the 2nd round.
Assorted injuries slowed Dafoe for the next couple of years before completely hitting the wall around 2002 or 2003.

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LOL, well if i WERE Ron Tugnutt, I would definately get out there and sign with a team for whatever they offered me. I'd feel like I'd have something to prove to Dallas fans. I mean I'd only be 37, I still have enough spunk in me to give it one or two more seasons to lighten up the end of my career.

But I'm not Tugnutt, and he is quite content spending time wiht his family right now apparently not looking for a new deal, but waiting for the right one to come along.

I guess he doesn't realize that time isn't on his side right now, lol.

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He has won back-to-back Stanley Cups 1996-1997, 1997-1998
He was back up in 96-97

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Shares the record for most wins by a goaltender in one playoff year (16) 1998.
There are more shareholders on that record than for Springtime for Hitler

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He was back up in 96-97
Playing 47 games in the regular season is hardly being a backup.
They used Vernon for the playoffs, but I would say that Osgood did his share in the regular season.

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lol ! Nice comment dude !
Although youīre absolutely right (there are a lot of them), he IS one of them.
And being in the company of goalies like Roy, Fuhr, Vernon, Ranford, Barrasso, Richter, Brodeur, Belfour and Hasek is nothing to be ashamed of, wouldnīt you agree ? I donīt see (otherwise great (playoff) goalies) like Joseph, Khabibulin, Hextall or Smith in that list... But thatīs beside the point.

I got the feeling you do not have a lot of sympathy for Chris Osgood. Thatīs okay.
So you tried to find something to make a comment on. Thatīs okay too. Feel free to do so.. But at least pick something thatīs accurate then....
You could have mentioned the center-ice goals from McInnis or Roenick in the 97-98 playoffs, but the arguments you used are dangerously close to lame..

No offense however, youīre totally entitled to not like someone.


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