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07-01-2011, 12:26 PM
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Wiz costed us a 2nd and a 5th.. now we got back a 5th
He cost us a 2nd and we got a 5th back...I don't think the Isles get a 5th from us...

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07-01-2011, 12:27 PM
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I'm happy for Wiz and he'll get a chance to be the big dog and shine there...with the cap floor issues it's not a bad deal for CBJ but even at 5 mil for 6 years it was a bad idea for the habs with all the PMD's in place and up and coming(Weber Yemelin Diaz).

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Or we got a 5th round pick for a player we had no intention of signing. We could have let him walk for free like we've done every other year with notable Free agents.

Wiz is overpayed, no doubt about. Everyone says, Columbus fans, the tsn panel.

5.5 million is a lot of money for a defensemen who hasn't proven anything yet.
If we had truly no intention of signing him, then we're damn fools. It is one thing to say he was outside of price range, it is another thing entirely to say we just did not want him. A fifth pick is hardly anything to gloat about and unlikely to amount to that much more than nothing.

Read my post again mate. You missed the portion where I said Wisniewski was overpaid, albeit mildly. The TSN panel essentially said similar when they discussed the cap. In today's market, you either pay high or you do not sign upper tier players.

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07-01-2011, 12:32 PM
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I withdraw my reproaches. Gauthier made a good decision letting Wiz walk. Il like him, but he's definitely not worth 5.5 mil per.

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I'm just happy we got an asset out of him. I'll take a 5th rd pick for a guy we weren't going to sign anyways.

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07-01-2011, 12:33 PM
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If we had truly no intention of signing him, then we're damn fools. It is one thing to say he was outside of price range, it is another thing entirely to say we just did not want him. A fifth pick is hardly anything to gloat about and unlikely to amount to that much more than nothing.

Read my post again mate. You missed the portion where I said Wisniewski was overpaid, albeit mildly. The TSN panel essentially said similar when they discussed the cap. In today's market, you either pay high or you do not sign upper tier players.
I'm not gloating about anything. The Habs got an asset back for a player they didn't intend to sign

Wisniewski's deal is horrible. I don't agree with you I'm sorry. I would have been extremely pissed if PG signed him to such a deal. I thought 4.5 million was overpaid.

Wisniewski is getting Keith and Markov money. Absolutely ridiculous.

I don't agree and many don't. Wisniewski is overpaid and the canadiens need less overpaid players.

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07-01-2011, 12:38 PM
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That's a lot of cash, but he'll be a staple of the Jackets' offence for every one of those years. Glad he's in the west, glad we got a free 5th for him, pretty much the best possible outcome for both team and player!

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If we had truly no intention of signing him, then we're damn fools. It is one thing to say he was outside of price range, it is another thing entirely to say we just did not want him. A fifth pick is hardly anything to gloat about and unlikely to amount to that much more than nothing.

Read my post again mate. You missed the portion where I said Wisniewski was overpaid, albeit mildly. The TSN panel essentially said similar when they discussed the cap. In today's market, you either pay high or you do not sign upper tier players.
Would you agree with no intention of signing to the kind of money he wanted? Because that seems to be the situation.

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this entire deal sucks if PG doesn't fill the void Wiz leaves on the blueline.

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07-01-2011, 12:50 PM
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I'm not gloating about anything. The Habs got an asset back for a player they didn't intend to sign

Wisniewski's deal is horrible. I don't agree with you I'm sorry. I would have been extremely pissed if PG signed him to such a deal. I thought 4.5 million was overpaid.

Wisniewski is getting Keith and Markov money. Absolutely ridiculous.

I don't agree and many don't. Wisniewski is overpaid and the canadiens need less overpaid players.
I was generalizing on the gloating, in that we should not brag about obtaining a fifth. With regards to the deal, hey you are free to disagree and I appreciate this not being a shouting match. I feel he was worth five million due to how much cap we have, his success with us and what the going rate is for UFAs nowadays.

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Would you agree with no intention of signing to the kind of money he wanted? Because that seems to be the situation.
Possibly, but like I said above. I would have been happy with signing him long term at five million. My belief is term ended discussions with Wisniewski not value. He seemed to insinuate that on TSN when he sounded as though Columbus' deal shocked him. My assumption was Gauither did not want to commit six years to him and only offered two or three at $4.5-5m.

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this entire deal sucks if PG doesn't fill the void Wiz leaves on the blueline.
I thought Wiz was just filling the void left by Markov??

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07-01-2011, 12:58 PM
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this entire deal sucks if PG doesn't fill the void Wiz leaves on the blueline.
Markov was already signed to do that.

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no way I wanted Wiz @ 5.5M over a long-term deal like he got, so if that's what he was asking for to stay in Montreal, I'm glad we didn't bite and I'm glad that we got something back for him.

interesting to see what PG does with the extra cap space now... I just hope it's not all used to overpay some other dman b/c if that's the case, then they should have kept Wiz since he seemed to fit in well.

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"Habs used me while waiting for Markov" - Wisniewski

Sorry the article is only in french: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS3

-Says he is happy to have played for the Habs, the pressure wasn't that big

-Glad Islanders traded him to Montreal so he could show his value

-Blue Jackets offer was too good

-Never received an offer from Pierre Gauthier

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Sorry the article is only in french: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS3

-Says he is happy to have played for the Habs, the pressure wasn't that big

-Glad Islanders traded him to Montreal so he could show his value

-Blue Jackets offer was too good

-Never received an offer from Pierre Gauthier
No big deal in anything he says.

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07-01-2011, 03:20 PM
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Sorry the article is only in french: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS3

-Says he is happy to have played for the Habs, the pressure wasn't that big

-Glad Islanders traded him to Montreal so he could show his value

-Blue Jackets offer was too good

-Never received an offer from Pierre Gauthier
If true, I'm not very happy.

I wouldn't have signed him for the contract he got, but he did say he wanted to stay - and if we had of offered him $4M or $4.5M before July 1st, he may have stayed.

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wow, habs didn't even make an attempt to sign him...

that's interesting, and i think quite a few posters are going to be wipping some egg from their faces.



If PG didn't even offer Wiz a contract, what does that tell us about his plans for the defense moving forward?

it points to them feeling Weber is going to take on a much bigger role and can be relied on if injuries hit again...

and it points to them only targeting a veteran Dman on the 1- year deal they offered to hamrlik...

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If true, I'm not very happy.

I wouldn't have signed him for the contract he got, but he did say he wanted to stay - and if we had of offered him $4M or $4.5M before July 1st, he may have stayed.
Maybe the agent told em i won't listen to anything under 5M/yr.

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Sweet.

So right now we've got all our original picks rounds 1-7. And an extra 5th to boot.

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Sweet.

So right now we've got all our original picks rounds 1-7. And an extra 5th to boot.
That's a rarity! Countdown until we trade our 2nd.

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Sorry the article is only in french: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS3

-Says he is happy to have played for the Habs, the pressure wasn't that big

-Glad Islanders traded him to Montreal so he could show his value

-Blue Jackets offer was too good

-Never received an offer from Pierre Gauthier
Seems odd Gauthier wouldn't even have made an offer, Columbus definately overpayed but there's no reason PG couldn't have thrown out a 3.5-4 a season contract...maybe he bites? guess Wiz just wasn't in the plans.

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I was 100% certain he would get 5m$/season easily. This is reality, people. 4.0-4.5m$ fans wished he would accept was ridiculous. You would sign no UFA if you were a GM.

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Sorry the article is only in french: http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS3

-Says he is happy to have played for the Habs, the pressure wasn't that big

-Glad Islanders traded him to Montreal so he could show his value

-Blue Jackets offer was too good

-Never received an offer from Pierre Gauthier
If that's true, I don't understand it.

As others have said, I never would've signed him for what he got but it makes no sense for us not to have talked to him.

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I was 100% certain he would get 5m$/season easily. This is reality, people. 4.0-4.5m$ fans wished he would accept was ridiculous. You would sign no UFA if you were a GM.
Some players will take less to play with a club they like more. Shame PG didn't make an offer to see if this was the case with Wiz. But done, turn the page, let's see what Emelin and Weber bring. We got Cole with savings, when does preseason start?

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Consider that Wisniewski may have communicated the ballpark of the terms he was looking for and, consequently, Gauthier saw no need to make an offer that was significantly lower than what Wisniewski was wanting.

Don`t be too quick to jump the gun on this one.

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