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Did Colorado trade for Elliott to tank?

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07-01-2011, 06:28 PM
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Did Colorado trade for Elliott to tank?

Serious question. They didn't keep Elliott and seemed to have no intention of ever signing him. Anderson was clearly the better goalie. Did the Avalanche purposefully tank at the end of the season, or was it just a bad stretch?

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The Columbus Avalanche?

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Serious question. They didn't keep Elliott and seemed to have no intention of ever signing him. Anderson was clearly the better goalie. Did the Avalanche purposefully tank at the end of the season, or was it just a bad stretch?
I think it was pretty obvious. For one, they knew they were not getting Anderson back for the future since he had pretty much quit on the team. Do people honestly think Colorado were trying to solve their goal tending long term by getting Elliott?

It worked out good for them too. I think they were 10 points up on us when we made the trade.

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Columbus?

But no, I think Sherman is just a bad GM, trading away a potential lottery pick for Varlamov is proof of that.

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Well, they did want to get rid of Anderson.

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Haha. Whoops. Any way to fix that without a mod?

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Haha. Whoops. Any way to fix that without a mod?
Just edit the main post and you can change the title.

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Just edit the main post and you can change the title.
Cool. You have to go advanced to do it, but that's a useful trick. I'll remember it next time I **** things up.

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I really don't understand Colorado's moves. Is their GM right of mind?

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I really don't understand Colorado's moves. Is their GM right of mind?
He's Bug**** crazy

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Yes, I think so. Elliott was a tanking gem last season. Should have been a bidding war between Florida, NYI, Edmonton, and Colorado.

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I have a feeling the avalanche is gonna suck for a very long time. Nevermind tanking last season. They came out of the draft with very little talent and the next draft they don't have any top picks.

Unless they hit a home-run with a Statsny trade, I can see them being out of the playoffs for 6 years straight.

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07-01-2011, 06:48 PM
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Yep, and if there's any karma, Larsson, Strome, and Zibanejad will become superstars (along with Puempel, Prince, Noesen, Filatov...) and the Sens, Isles, and Devils will surpass the Oil and Avs.

The teams that didn't tank deserve some form of reward. We are making an honest attempt to improve our team and not purposely gutting our squad to hit the lottery for five years. For that, I hope the Hockey Gods smile kindly on us.

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I have a feeling the avalanche is gonna suck for a very long time. Nevermind tanking last season. They came out of the draft with very little talent and the next draft they don't have any top picks.

Unless they hit a home-run with a Statsny trade, I can see them being out of the playoffs for 6 years straight.
They have a ton of young talent on their team and in their system already. They'll be fine. Varlamov has all-world talent, but health issues. When he's healthy, he's been very good. I can't see them losing 500 man games to injury again, and that played a big role in them falling apart.

And they won't be trading Stastny.

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Yep, and if there's any karma, Larsson, Strome, and Zibanejad will become superstars (along with Puempel, Prince, Noesen, Filatov...) and the Sens, Isles, and Devils will surpass the Oil and Avs.

The teams that didn't tank deserve some form of reward. We are making an honest attempt to improve our team and not purposely gutting our squad to hit the lottery for five years. For that, I hope the Hockey Gods smile kindly on us.

There is no "deserve" or "right" or "wrong" in sports or games.

There are only the game rules and social contracts imposed by your surroundings. In this case, the game rules state that teams finishing 27-30 in the standings get an elite or high-end prospect through the entry draft. Colorado was in a position where they saw that they wouldn't be able to make the playoffs. Instead of finishing in an unenviable position, they made a great trade by acquiring Brian Elliott and dropped like a stone in the standings. The opportunity cost was Craig Anderson, who killed our own position in the draft. Avs have Landeskog, a good G and a decent D as well. They'll be fine.

The worst thing anyone playing any game/sport can do is make up imaginary rules and expect everyone to follow them. Murray should have kept the ship sinking; instead he looked out for his own job and pulled the chute on Nugent-Hopkins or Landeskog. Now we wait to see if is decisions were valid.

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I voted yes. There really was no other reason to trade for Elliot. They had access to game film of how terrible he was, and I am sure they watched it. They didn't just go into the trade throwing darts at a board for who they wanted from the Sens. It worked great for them, they tanked 4 spots with Elliot at the helm.

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I voted yes. There really was no other reason to trade for Elliot. They had access to game film of how terrible he was, and I am sure they watched it. They didn't just go into the trade throwing darts at a board for who they wanted from the Sens. It worked great for them, they tanked 4 spots with Elliot at the helm.
It's funny how we almost jump 4 spot the other way.

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It's funny how we almost jump 4 spot the other way.
When Elliot signed in St Louis today I told my friend "At least now they know if Halak goes down they are guaranteed the number 1 pick." There is no better goalie I have ever seen at tanking then Elliot. If I didn't like Anderson so much I would miss Elliot!

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Like, Duh. Let them tank and let Elliott take the pounding instead of screwing up your own prospects.

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Landeskog vs Anderson and Zibanejad. Worked out alright in the end I think.

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Landeskog vs Anderson and Zibanejad. Worked out alright in the end I think.
I take either of these over Lando. Never mind both.

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I think it was pretty obvious. For one, they knew they were not getting Anderson back for the future since he had pretty much quit on the team. Do people honestly think Colorado were trying to solve their goal tending long term by getting Elliott?

It worked out good for them too. I think they were 10 points up on us when we made the trade.
Seriously, who cares?

It would be disastrous to make a move like that in a draft like say next years. This year, difference between RNH/Landeskog and Zbad is precious little. there is a real chance Zbad could even be better. Remember, I still think big part of the improved play was due to the AHL guys like Condra and Greening etc than just Anderson (see McElhinney, Curtis' performance). Even if they keep Elliot, no way they beat out the Oilers for number 1 overall.

If there was Nail Yakupov or Alex Galchenyuk or Grigorenko at the top of the draft IMO I am siging a different tune. Next year there will be these 3 superstar level forwards plus at least 2 franchise level dman (those that make a step up among next years available 6 TOP END 16 year defenceman this year) in the top 5. With more excellent dman prospects all over the top 10.


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Landeskog vs Anderson and Zibanejad. Worked out alright in the end I think.
It worked out alright(pretty good), but Landeskog vs Zibanejad and a couple years of Anderson with Lehner in the pipeline?

I'd have to go with Lando 10 times out of 10 on that one.

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Columbus?

But no, I think Sherman is just a bad GM, trading away a potential lottery pick for Varlamov is proof of that.
This.

My guess is he remembered Elliott from his AHL days, and thought he'd be a good pickup.

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