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07-01-2011, 07:15 PM
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I love Ward. Nice guy. Works incredibly hard. Humble.

I wouldn't have him in the top six unless I was desperately needing someone who will simply work the boards while the other two forwards offer support/get open. He can win board battles, but the trouble is he doesn't move the puck very well. He isn't a playmaker, nor is he a goal scorer. He isn't exactly fast, though he can get open down the ice. His skating isn't very good. He isn't very physical in terms of using his size to separate players from the puck. He's a very solid bottom six grinder though. He has a habit of killing scoring lines.

Pros: work ethic. grit. good attitude.

Cons: stone hands. mediocre-to-poor skating ability. no offensive instinct in any way.

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07-01-2011, 07:42 PM
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I'm not the biggest fan. He's like a slower, worse Mike Grier. So, pretty much Hendricks minus the punching.

I understand the rest of the moves, don't like this one.

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meant to say that bb uses 28 at rw.

yea. chimmer

Not anymore. Psych.

So that tells we go Brouwer at 2 LW. Has Ward ever played LW? I still think Laich beats out MJ for game 1 at 2C.

Brow Laich Semin
Chim MJ Ward
Hendy Halpie Beagle
SoJo King

FehIR to start the year.

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I love Ward. Nice guy. Works incredibly hard. Humble.

I wouldn't have him in the top six unless I was desperately needing someone who will simply work the boards while the other two forwards offer support/get open. He can win board battles, but the trouble is he doesn't move the puck very well. He isn't a playmaker, nor is he a goal scorer. He isn't exactly fast, though he can get open down the ice. His skating isn't very good. He isn't very physical in terms of using his size to separate players from the puck. He's a very solid bottom six grinder though. He has a habit of killing scoring lines.

Pros: work ethic. grit. good attitude.

Cons: stone hands. mediocre-to-poor skating ability. no offensive instinct in any way.
Well there must be something. he has scored 51g in 3y with Nashville.

I'll take it.

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Not going to lie before the off-season began I was hoping we didn't sign Ward. I would of much preferred Upshall, but the figures and term he got is ridiculous. Ward is a solid 3rd liner, and there in lies the problem. $3mil is a steep price for a player like that.

Edit: Handzus @ $2.5mil would of been much better.

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07-02-2011, 02:42 AM
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I think you guys will love Ward just for how he plays. He does have offense and the occasional soft hands, but most points come from hard work. When healthy, I have never seen Ward lose a board battle, there are times when he is fighting for the puck with 3 opponents and somehow he will skate out with the puck.

In the playoffs Ward is another player. It is truly unexplainable as he has 17 pts in 18 games in the playoffs and yet he struggles to get past 30 in the regular season. I will say if he is put in a more offensive role then I can see Ward getting 40 points but not many more.

Just a clip of the type of goal Ward scores (he gets about 3 or 4 of these a year)


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07-02-2011, 02:50 AM
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He won't be able to do that next year with Varly in net.


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I'm not the biggest fan. He's like a slower, worse Mike Grier. So, pretty much Hendricks minus the punching.

I understand the rest of the moves, don't like this one.
So of all the guys in the NHL, he best compares to Mike Grier. Interesting. LOL.

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07-02-2011, 08:36 AM
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I'm not the biggest fan. He's like a slower, worse Mike Grier. So, pretty much Hendricks minus the punching.

I understand the rest of the moves, don't like this one.
except that he scored 7 goals in the playoffs this season. 13 pts when you add in the 6 assists. in 6 games last season he was 2+2. when it comes to playoffs he has delivered far more than hendricks without the punching.

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They didn't sign him for his goal scoring prowess. You'll only be disappointed if you think he's a 20-goal scorer.
And I think thats why there is little risk in a move like this.....the salary is a bit high but this is a player that brings things they dont have, and were not going to get without this kind of move.

Its a bigger risk IMO to overpay a non-elite scoring type player than a hard nose checker who brings his game when things get tough. The success of this move wont be judged by how many goals he scores....but by how he plays the game when it matters most

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So of all the guys in the NHL, he best compares to Mike Grier. Interesting. LOL.
The "Mike Grier" archetype is a relatively common comparison around these parts. Usually with the "white Mike Grier", but typically used to describe a guy with good hustle, ok forecheck, but minimal to no hands.

I can see where you might suggest the comparison is racially based, but I don't agree.

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I guess the Caps think he is a late bloomer. He'll be 31 yrs old in Dec., only 3 full seasons in the league, hasn't exactly lit up the lamp consistently (except for the recent playoff run). That is a long term deal for a a lot of money for a guy who has 99 career points. If you are not a Caps fan you gotta love it.

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I'm not the biggest fan. He's like a slower, worse Mike Grier. So, pretty much Hendricks minus the punching.

I understand the rest of the moves, don't like this one.
but why they pay him 3 million ? hendricks even has the penalty shot bonus. dont understand that either. to me this move shows that they will keep that "defensive" system by believing grinders will bail the fat guy out. in that case, the season is lost before it begins.

it looks like the caps will have one of the highest 3.line in the league (payment wise).

when the season starts, this team will fail on the ice hard. the cherry on top will be like schulz signs for 7 years/4m.

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My biggest worry is that this is the NFL equivalent of signing Larry Brown, Desmond Howard, or Dexter Jackson to big contracts after Super Bowl MVP performances.

Look at how many can'ts he got from a Preds fan.
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but the trouble is he doesn't move the puck very well. He isn't a playmaker, nor is he a goal scorer. He isn't exactly fast, though he can get open down the ice. His skating isn't very good. He isn't very physical in terms of using his size to separate players from the puck.
Can't skate, deke, or pass, and his hitting is very limited. However he was extremely hot for the playoffs. This seems very high risk to me. I hope winning board battles is worth $3 million a year.

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I'm not the biggest fan. He's like a slower, worse Mike Grier. So, pretty much Hendricks minus the punching.

I understand the rest of the moves, don't like this one.
i never saw hendricks do this



dont fool yourself ward is way better than hendricks

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07-03-2011, 12:35 AM
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Yeah, Ward is a significantly better defensive player than Hendricks, and has more offensive ability to boot.

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He's just flat-out better in the playoffs. There are guys like that in this league. Twenty GMs looked into his services in the last couple of days, all knowing that 40 points is about what he'll get in the season. You don't bring him in for December hockey, but for May hockey. I don't think he'll be on the second line for long, but he'll work his way back there as a fixture in the post season. He has that second gear when it matters.

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I dont know Joel Ward but it seems like he needs a bump. He is our 5th highest paid forward afterall.

I presume he will be our 3RW but Fehr just keeps hanging around. His playoff resume is nice but its only 18 games. We have all seen that Druce Bergenheim Ward performance and its tough to not covet those guys. But it seemed some here were weary of inking Bergenheim. By the time i figured out Bergs was killing us, the series was over.

Flat out if he maintains his PPPG rate its a great signing, but I think that will be hard to maintain.

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Ward
Brouwer
Fehr
Knuble
Beagle

I project Brouwer at LW but if Laich ends up back at wing, we are jack stacked at RW. We may be jack stacked regardless if Fehr rebounds. A RW seems destined to be a LW. I would like Eric Sink or Swin Fehr to get a look at LW.

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Ward press conference audio.

"Slot me in wherever and I'll just get the job done."

Guy's a ****ing trooper.

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He won't be able to do that next year with Varly in net.
Maybe not, but that is the perfect "groin killer" move to do against a goalie. If he does one or two of those when the Caps play the Avs, the expected value of that 1st round pick skyrockets.

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I laughed, and then I felt like an awful person and regretted laughing, sorry Varly!

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Ward press conference audio.

"Slot me in wherever and I'll just get the job done."

Guy's a ****ing trooper.
**** yes

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I love Ward. Nice guy. Works incredibly hard. Humble.

I wouldn't have him in the top six unless I was desperately needing someone who will simply work the boards while the other two forwards offer support/get open. He can win board battles, but the trouble is he doesn't move the puck very well. He isn't a playmaker, nor is he a goal scorer. He isn't exactly fast, though he can get open down the ice. His skating isn't very good. He isn't very physical in terms of using his size to separate players from the puck. He's a very solid bottom six grinder though. He has a habit of killing scoring lines.

Pros: work ethic. grit. good attitude.

Cons: stone hands. mediocre-to-poor skating ability. no offensive instinct in any way.
Those reasons are why I like Ward.

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I think you guys will love Ward just for how he plays. He does have offense and the occasional soft hands, but most points come from hard work. When healthy, I have never seen Ward lose a board battle, there are times when he is fighting for the puck with 3 opponents and somehow he will skate out with the puck.

In the playoffs Ward is another player. It is truly unexplainable as he has 17 pts in 18 games in the playoffs and yet he struggles to get past 30 in the regular season. I will say if he is put in a more offensive role then I can see Ward getting 40 points but not many more.

Just a clip of the type of goal Ward scores (he gets about 3 or 4 of these a year)

That's a goal scorer's goal!

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