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07-03-2011, 05:12 AM
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I struggle seeing how two 60-point seasons are sub-par for a second liner. I think if we could get that production out of him next year we would be set.

At the time, did you think the habs got a 2nd liner? Remember that plekanec had alot of question marks around him since he was coming off a 39 point season. With koivu out of the fold, I think its clear that the habs thought they were getting a #1 centreman, and they tried him out in that role when they lined him up with gionta and cammalleri.


He's a guy that has hit the 70 point mark 4 times before he got to mtl, so coming to mtl after a 58 point season was largely considered an off year. They simply haven't got what they wanted out of him, and thank god pleks rebounded or this trade would look far worse than it already does.

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07-03-2011, 05:33 AM
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Exactly. As much as I don't really like Gomez as a player, I don't see how he can possibly do worse. As I said before, me wanting to get rid of him was 99% for his contract.

I don't think he'll score 38 points again, I think he'll be around 50. If he gets below 40 points when we have Cammalleri, Cole, Pacioretty, Gionta, Kostitsyn, and likely Desharnais as wingers - he's got a huge problem.

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07-03-2011, 05:55 AM
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sign Konopka, Gorges and White and we are ready to go.

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07-03-2011, 11:48 AM
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The coaches will have many options at training camp.

Cammy--Pleky--- Cole
Patches--Gomez--- Gionta
AK--- Eller---DD
Moen--- C---White
Darche

4th line center spot open... Enquist

Georges---Markov
Subban----Gill
Yemelin---Weber
Spacek

Can't believe we didn't go after Barker

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07-03-2011, 12:01 PM
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The excitement is definitely present, but I'm truly curious to see who else Gauthier will bring in. We obviously need a 4th line center, and a good one. Adding some depth to the D would be good as well.

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07-03-2011, 12:43 PM
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At the time, did you think the habs got a 2nd liner? Remember that plekanec had alot of question marks around him since he was coming off a 39 point season. With koivu out of the fold, I think its clear that the habs thought they were getting a #1 centreman, and they tried him out in that role when they lined him up with gionta and cammalleri.


He's a guy that has hit the 70 point mark 4 times before he got to mtl, so coming to mtl after a 58 point season was largely considered an off year. They simply haven't got what they wanted out of him, and thank god pleks rebounded or this trade would look far worse than it already does.
Well, maybe one reason why Pleks rebounded is that teams had to guard against Gomez and Gionta too. With Koivu slowing down, he was no longer a big threat, except on the PP.

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07-03-2011, 12:45 PM
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Exactly. As much as I don't really like Gomez as a player, I don't see how he can possibly do worse. As I said before, me wanting to get rid of him was 99% for his contract.

I don't think he'll score 38 points again, I think he'll be around 50. If he gets below 40 points when we have Cammalleri, Cole, Pacioretty, Gionta, Kostitsyn, and likely Desharnais as wingers - he's got a huge problem.
Desharnais played less than two periods as a winger and not surprisingly got hurt. Why would people think he is "likely" to be a winger??

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07-03-2011, 12:46 PM
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The excitement is definitely present, but I'm truly curious to see who else Gauthier will bring in. We obviously need a 4th line center, and a good one. Adding some depth to the D would be good as well.
Either Desharnais or Eller will make for one of the best 4th line centers in the league.

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07-03-2011, 01:06 PM
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My line up and the number of goals they will score.

Mike Cammalleri 40-Thomas Plekanec 20-Erik Cole 25 total 85
Brian Gionta 25- Scott Gomez 15-Max Pacioretty 20 total 60
Travis Moen 5-Lars Eller 15-Andrei Kostitsyn 20 total 40
Mathieu Darch 10-David Desharnais 12-Ryan White 8 total 30

Andrei Markov 12-Alexei Yemelin 3 total 15
Pk Subban 12- Hall Gill 2 total 14
Josh Gorges 5-Jaroslav spacek 2 total 7

Yannick Weber 4

total: 255 goals 3.11/game

Needless to say I am excited about next season!
all seemingly realistic. not too shabby. also considering our shooting percentage last year was abnormally low

i don't see gorges scoring 5. i see weber scoring closer to ten (for some odd reason), i see patches and gio scoring more so yeah, 3.11 goals per game. lots to be excited

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07-03-2011, 01:08 PM
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The coaches will have many options at training camp.

Cammy--Pleky--- Cole
Patches--Gomez--- Gionta
AK--- Eller---DD
Moen--- C---White
Darche

4th line center spot open... Enquist

Georges---Markov
Subban----Gill
Yemelin---Weber
Spacek

Can't believe we didn't go after Barker

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07-03-2011, 01:16 PM
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The excitement is definitely present, but I'm truly curious to see who else Gauthier will bring in. We obviously need a 4th line center, and a good one. Adding some depth to the D would be good as well.

Great post. Pretty much sums up what the Canadiens need to make a long playoff run.

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07-03-2011, 01:23 PM
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07-03-2011, 01:46 PM
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One thing that intrigues me is a Pacioretty-Cole duo. I know management will want them on 2 different lines to balance things out but there's bound to be some line shuffling by Martin at some point in the season when a line gets cold or if there's injuries.

Seeing the 2 of them just putting on the jets and powering trough the outside or forechecking like crazy and pinning down defenders in their zone would be quite a thing to see.

I wonder what a Pacioretty-Plekanec-Cole line could do just out of curiosity.
If the PP needs some help at some point:

Pacioretty-Plekanec-Cole
Markov-Subban

Unit 2:

Cammalleri-Gomez-Desharnais
Gionta!-Weber

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07-03-2011, 01:46 PM
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At the time, did you think the habs got a 2nd liner? Remember that plekanec had alot of question marks around him since he was coming off a 39 point season. With koivu out of the fold, I think its clear that the habs thought they were getting a #1 centreman, and they tried him out in that role when they lined him up with gionta and cammalleri.


He's a guy that has hit the 70 point mark 4 times before he got to mtl, so coming to mtl after a 58 point season was largely considered an off year. They simply haven't got what they wanted out of him, and thank god pleks rebounded or this trade would look far worse than it already does.
I thought they were getting a bad 1st line center/awesome second line center to go with Plekanec who I thought was at a similar level. Basically two guys between 20-40 in the league at their position.

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What will be pleasant for JM is that he can fiddle anyway he likes his top 9. They all have the same ingredients, the same mix and match.

I don't beleive Gomez will be sent down in the minors. Politics aside Gomez would make a very good 3rd line center. And basically, who really cares on what line you play until you provide success for the team.

I for one is inclined to build the roster like this:

Mike Cammalleri / David Desharnais / Erik Cole
Lars Eller / Tomas Plekanec / Andrei Kostitsyn
Max Pacioretty / Scott Gomez / Brian Gionta
Travis Moen / Andreas Engqvist / Ryan White
Mathieu Darche

Andrei Markov / Josh Gorges
Hal Gill / P.K. Subban
Jaroslav Spacek / Alexei Yemelin
Paul Mara / Yannick Weber


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07-03-2011, 02:04 PM
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Funny that the main board always put us out of the playoffs, yet we always make it.

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07-03-2011, 02:12 PM
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Funny that the main board always put us out of the playoffs, yet we always make it.
Seriously.

Our top 9 is going to be better than most teams in the east, goaltending top 3 in the east. Defense we'll at least have some good D.

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07-03-2011, 02:13 PM
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Funny that the main board always put us out of the playoffs, yet we always make it.
Habs never look sexy on paper and always play a system that goalies thrive in.

So the natural reaction is "Well, if (insert goalie's name here) wasn't so good they'd be a lottery team. I doubt he repeats that performance." You'd think people would eventually catch on that pretty much every goalie looks good in Montreal.

Cristobal Huet was an All-Star here.

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Seriously.

Our top 9 is going to be better than most teams in the east, goaltending top 3 in the east. Defense we'll at least have some good D.
Agreed + we dont need the best D on paper because Martin's system is focused on the D. A tight-played game by our Ds is all we need.

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07-03-2011, 02:20 PM
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What will be pleasant for JM is that he can fiddle anyway he likes his top 9. They all have the same ingredients, the same mix and match.

I don't beleive Gomez will be sent down in the minors. Politics aside Gomez would make a very good 3rd line center. And basically, who really cares on what line you play until you provide success for the team.

I for one is inclined to build the roster like this:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Andreas Engqvist ($0.900m) / Ryan White ($0.650m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Josh Gorges ($2.400m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m) / Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m)
Paul Mara ($0.750m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,695,509; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,604,491
Your wingers are basically fine, your centermen a mess. In order to insist on not having DD or Eller as the 4th line center, you elevate Engqvist above Darche. That is just NOT going to happen. Darche will be a regular before Engqvist, who hasn't proved much so far, to be honest. Even Tom Pyatt would do a better job of 4th line Center than Engqvist, and I prefer Pyatt on wing. Pyatt would also be cheaper!

A fourth line of Desharnais-White-Darche would contribute to lots of wins as they torch the slugs and enforcers others use on their fourth lines. Like Risebrough-Tremblay-Lambert once did.

Pleks-Cole-Cammy
Gomer-Gio-MaxPac
Eller-AK46-Moan
DD-White-Darche

If Gomez is off, DD can switch with him, or if Eller is not performing, he and DD can switch.

We get more NHL depth with Darche in the lineup than Engqvist.

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07-03-2011, 02:30 PM
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Not terribly excited.

To me it's still looks like a team that will have to battle to the end for one of the final playoff spots.

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Not terribly excited.

To me it's still looks like a team that will have to battle to the end for one of the final playoff spots.
let me guess: more size?

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Blatantly Offside? Are you inferring that the Bruins didn't earn the win?
Yes. they did earn it. But they were also incredibly fortunate for the other teams star players being knocked down like flies along the way. However that doesn't change the fact that you won the most playoff games, making you the champions of this year. But with that being said, the habs have won the most stanley cups in history, making them the champions of alltime.

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My roster I have made with our current team had GOals per game of 3.14 which I think is really realistic with the team we have. I honestly think it could all come down to Gomez and him causing a domino effect on the whole team. I really think he's been working incredibly hard this offseason and that he will prove all his hatred wrong this season. I really love his transition game and what he can do for thisteams chemistry and skill when he is playing to his potential.

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What about rolling three lines evenly and having one line with size

Mike Cammalleri - Tomas Plekanec - Andrei Kostitsyn
Max Pacioretty - Lars Eller - Erik Cole
David Desharnais - Scott Gomez - Brian Gionta

Trying to bring something a little different for line-up discussions.

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