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07-03-2011, 12:49 PM
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Season ticket holder for many years. remember last year, of course lombardi didn't pay off, but we traded arnott for lombardi, hallishuck, and a draft pick AND saved $1 Mil in 2 trades, that people didn't understand at the time we traded Arnott. I know if Poile is telling the truth, we really have to spend 16 Mil to reach where we were last year, and he says we will have a higher payroll. Revisit this thread in a week.

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ok, so where is our offense coming from? No Radulov next season so....
Still 3 months till puck drop. Be patient.

Being a Leaf fan has taught me that.

Poile was in the running for the GM award. After seeing what Nashville can and can't achieve based on last year's performance, he knows he needs offense.

He just can't have dead weight of 3.5M when Nashville is bound to some sort of internal cap and he can't trade Franson to a team that is likely to be a playoff team facing Nashville in the playoffs.

Even a blind man who knows nothing about hockey knows Nashville is stacked on D and needs offense.

He has publicly said they will be spending more and that means more offense coming for help.

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07-03-2011, 12:51 PM
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Florida had to get to the cap floor. We still have to spend more than 10 million to get there. Florida went ahead and signed people that were worth signing before other desperate teams like us had a chance to.
And Florida paid much more than a lot of those guys are worth.

And we might have $10 million to go to reach the floor...but you can bet that $6-7 million of that will be reached with Shea Weber's contract alone. Then you have the possibility of resigning the RFA's (Kostitsyn, Spaling, Halischuk, O'Reilly). Even if those guys go open market, we should have the $$$ to sign them (unless someone offers Kostitsyn stupid money).

We're not going to have any problems reaching the cap floor. We'll be gunning for the midpoint, as usual.

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07-03-2011, 12:51 PM
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Still 3 months till puck drop. Be patient.

Being a Leaf fan has taught me that.

Poile was in the running for the GM award. After seeing what Nashville can and can't achieve based on last year's performance, he knows he needs offense.

He just can't have dead weight of 3.5M when Nashville is bound to some sort of internal cap and he can't trade Franson to a team that is likely to be a playoff team facing Nashville in the playoffs.

Even a blind man who knows nothing about hockey knows Nashville is stacked on D and needs offense.

He has publicly said they will be spending more and that means more offense coming for help.
I just have a feeling he will end up overpaying our RFA's and thats all

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07-03-2011, 12:57 PM
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I just have a feeling he will end up overpaying our RFA's and thats all
Kostitsyn, maybe...but I doubt that O'Reilly, Halischuk, and Spaling would be able to draw massive overpayments.

Some team might be foolish enough to spend $4-4.5 mil on Kostitsyn, based on one year...but the other guys should be able to be resigned for $1-1.5 million (if the arbiter rules against us).

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07-03-2011, 12:59 PM
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And we might have $10 million to go to reach the floor...but you can bet that $6-7 million of that will be reached with Shea Weber's contract alone. Then you have the possibility of resigning the RFA's (Kostitsyn, Spaling, Halischuk, O'Reilly). Even if those guys go open market, we should have the $$$ to sign them (unless someone offers Kostitsyn stupid money).
Exactly, so we are bringing back a lot of the young guys and that's great but we need to improve the roster. On a team whose top scorer had 50 points, losing 5 players who scored at least 19 points and getting nothing in return is a fairly big deal. Kostitsyn, Spaling, Halischuk, and O'Reilly aren't going to get us where we need to go. They should be supporting players on a team with more talent around them.

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I just have a feeling he will end up overpaying our RFA's and thats all
Better to pay it for our rfas then a guy not even playing on the team

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07-03-2011, 01:02 PM
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Just signing our RFAs we won't have enough salary for a legitimate offensive threat.

The team has only saved $2.85 million.

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07-03-2011, 01:03 PM
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So is Lombardi going to be out for the season??
I think he'll be lucky to play again at all. We didn't give up on Sullivan even when it looked like he would never come back, so this is pretty telling.

I'm okay with trading Franson, but I thought we would get more for him. Lebda is awful and Slaney is a AA player. I can't think of any reason we would be in such a hurry to dump Lombardi's contract unless we're either a.) expecting to lose the grievance, or b.) setting up a bigger trade. I recognize that Lombardi was likely going to be dead weight, but we're now $13M short of the cap floor. Something's gotta give.

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07-03-2011, 01:06 PM
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Lebda is a terrible d-man, send him to the minors.

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This cannot be the endgame, folks. I have questioned a few moves by DP, but he is too smart to just trade a bad contract and a pretty good offensive D-man for a bad player and a project.

If I am wrong, boy will the team suffer. But I seriously think there must be another shoe here. I suspect we are more likely to see core player signings and perhaps another trade for a REAL roster player.

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Just signing our RFAs we won't have enough salary for a legitimate offensive threat.

The team has only saved $2.85 million.
Ward, Dumont, Sullivan.

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Ward, Dumont, Sullivan.
Already taken into account. After resigning RFAs, the team will only have about $3-4 til the mid-point.

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guys lebda was a -3 in a 9-3 leaf win last year

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I'm so pissed off I don't even know what to say. The fact we took Lebda back is mind boggling. I would have still lambasted Poile even if Lebda wasn't involved but with Lebda coming back this goes into the never forgivable category. Poile has succeeded in ****ing up the RFA situation and generally just making this team look much worse over the last week. Something HUGE better be up his sleeve because I can't comprehend the idocracy at this moment.

We are actually going to pay Lebda 1.5 to play with us next year versus Franson who was what at like 900K!!!!!!!!????????????????????

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07-03-2011, 01:15 PM
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Already taken into account. After resigning RFAs, the team will only have about $3-4 til the mid-point.
How much are you figuring on the RFAs?

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How much are you figuring on the RFAs?
CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Patric Hornqvist ($3.083m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / Sergei Kostitsyn ($4.500m)
Martin Erat ($4.500m) / Cal O'Reilly ($1.750m) / Colin Wilson ($1.725m)
Nick Spaling ($0.975m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Jerred Smithson ($0.800m)
Jordin Tootoo ($1.250m) / Blake Geoffrion ($1.062m) / Matt Halischuk ($1.250m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Ryan Suter ($3.500m)
Kevin Klein ($1.350m) / Jonathon Blum ($0.941m)
Roman Josi ($1.000m) / Brett Lebda ($1.450m)
Francis Bouillon ($1.350m)

GOALTENDERS
Pekka Rinne ($3.400m) / Anders Lindback ($0.875m)

BUYOUTS: J.P. Dumont ($1.333m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,295,833; BONUSES: $1,450,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $12,004,167

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07-03-2011, 01:18 PM
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I don't know whether to laugh at this trade or cry for you guys.

Brett ******* Lebda? My condolences.

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07-03-2011, 01:18 PM
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I wish Franson got traded for offense.

Lebda is horrible.
D tend to get better when they leave Toronto - Lebda can skate but is lost if asked to do too much defending.

He may actually get turfed before the season starts anyway. This is a move before a bigger move given the Preds depth. Good trade for the Leafs.

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07-03-2011, 01:20 PM
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I don't get it.

Personally I want to see Ellis in the lineup so Franson out isn't a huge deal but how do you not trade him for a forward instead of a crappy 3rd pairing guy in Lebda?

You can't just try and screw Burke out of his first rounder? Maybe do Nash 1st+Franson for Toronto 1st???

Sullivan, Dumont, Ward, Franson, Goc, and theres probably another guy I am forgetting are legit NHLers and not bums and they have brought back ZERO losing these guys. Nashville was one of about 10 teams with a chance to win a Cup next year when the season ended and I think of the 30 teams in the league noone has had as bad an offseason as them.

Offer sheeting Stamkos is really the only thing which makes sense to me.


How does Burke get Franson for freaking Lebda? Just pathetic IMO I know you gotta dump him out of conference but give him to a team like the Isles.

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07-03-2011, 01:21 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Patric Hornqvist ($3.083m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / Sergei Kostitsyn ($4.500m)
Martin Erat ($4.500m) / Cal O'Reilly ($1.750m) / Colin Wilson ($1.725m)
Nick Spaling ($0.975m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Jerred Smithson ($0.800m)
Jordin Tootoo ($1.250m) / Blake Geoffrion ($1.062m) / Matt Halischuk ($1.250m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Ryan Suter ($3.500m)
Kevin Klein ($1.350m) / Jonathon Blum ($0.941m)
Roman Josi ($1.000m) / Brett Lebda ($1.450m)
Francis Bouillon ($1.350m)

GOALTENDERS
Pekka Rinne ($3.400m) / Anders Lindback ($0.875m)

BUYOUTS: J.P. Dumont ($1.333m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,295,833; BONUSES: $1,450,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $12,004,167
I wont rule out that Sergei makes 4.5mil somewhere if the RFA thing goes against us, but I'd be willing to bet just about anything that he wont make that here.

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07-03-2011, 01:22 PM
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Ward, Dumont, Sullivan.
Dont think there was anyway we would have given Ward anywhere close to $3 mil, he doubled his contract with a few post season goals. He's still a 10 goal 30 pt guy, we have lots of those. Dumont was dead weight, and sullivan, although my favorite player ever probably, doesn't fit into what we need either, although 1.5 Mil wouldn't have been too bad. Just thought of this too. Franson is due at the end of next year anyway, and probably would not have been resigned with Suter, Blum and Buillon also being due then. We basically chose between Blum and Franson here.

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As a Leafs fan looking at this from the Preds point of view, I can see the logic. Lebda will probably be bought out (no way a team that prides themselves on defense lets this scrub take the ice), taking his $1.5 mil in remaining salary down to $1 mil, so you guys are saving around $6 mil total (over the next 2 years) on Lombardi, who might not play again on his current contract. Obviously Poile figured that the money saved was more valuable to the Preds than whatever Franson could have returned in a non-financial trade, and I think he's earned the benefit of the doubt, he's a very good GM who has to work in a tough situation with an internal cap.

The only way I can see this as a true "Preds management ****ed up" trade is if it was done simply to cover all the extra salary that could be coming from RFA-gate if your RFAs turn into UFAs, which would mean you guys got screwed for sure.

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This offseason in a nutshell.

Since we'll lose the lottery,

With the 2nd pick in the 2012 NHL draft the Nashville Predators (if they don't relocate) take ___________

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07-03-2011, 01:26 PM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Patric Hornqvist ($3.083m) / Mike Fisher ($4.200m) / Sergei Kostitsyn ($4.500m)
Martin Erat ($4.500m) / Cal O'Reilly ($1.750m) / Colin Wilson ($1.725m)
Nick Spaling ($0.975m) / David Legwand ($4.500m) / Jerred Smithson ($0.800m)
Jordin Tootoo ($1.250m) / Blake Geoffrion ($1.062m) / Matt Halischuk ($1.250m)

DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.500m) / Ryan Suter ($3.500m)
Kevin Klein ($1.350m) / Jonathon Blum ($0.941m)
Roman Josi ($1.000m) / Brett Lebda ($1.450m)
Francis Bouillon ($1.350m)

GOALTENDERS
Pekka Rinne ($3.400m) / Anders Lindback ($0.875m)

BUYOUTS: J.P. Dumont ($1.333m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,295,833; BONUSES: $1,450,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $12,004,167
I think you have to take out lebda and insert Ellis. and I hope we get weber for 7.5, thinking much more now. And 4.5 for SK? We wont be paying that, we'll let him go for that. 1.75 for cal? really?

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