The OP's argument acknowledges minutes played and the influence of forwards but it neglects (understandably so) other factors: the goaltenders, the defense partners, and the defensive responsibilities (e.g., playing against the opponent's top line). Aside from that, how does the Dman fare after the score gets lopsided either way, in which case he naturally plays with less imotivation compared with a tight game.
Go read it again, you missed a part.
I will advise that this list comprises mostly top 4 Ds, but it is normal that there are discrepancies, I leave to the posters to place those players into their context (1st/2nd/3rd pairing replacing, sheltered, supports a pair, things like that, what goalie do they play in front of, the other players that make-up their usual 5 men unit).
This is the end result GAA. I said I left the posters the freedom to discern those things. My main argument was with the Habs, the top 50 for the league are there to show comparing points.
Kinda normal when players are pass 35 years old. We've heard so much about how it's so perilous to sign them to multi year contracts.
It's very telling that instead of telling us again how Gill is so much better than Hamrlik, you use a sarcasm to run away from the facts. The only thing Gill is better at is the PK, for the rest, Hamr hands down. Deal with it.
the only thing I have to deal with are the facts that our GM offered a 1 year to Gill, right off the bat...
Hamrlik got 1 year, days prior to the deadline... despite his tenure.
I think it would have been better to have an $850,000 player in Gill's spot (e.g. Diaz, Weber, Carle), this would have allowed us to keep Hamrlik. He rejected a 1-year contract at (3.5 million?), but it is unlikely he would have rejected a 1-year contract at 5.5 million.
It's funny with Boullion. I guess because he was a small cube shaped fellow, no one ever really payed attention to him because he didn't fit the mold of a "STUD" as many call them around here, and god forbid a 2 million dollar price tag.
I thought the cube was great. Not once did I ever feel he hurt the team. He was fast, strong in the corners, hard nosed defenseman.
My favorite part was when it came to scraps he would always surprise everyone by beating the piss out of them. Even Colton Orr was left thinking damn this guy has some power.
I guess we were too busy fluffing Komi at the time.
Good on the Cube though. I'd take him back to replace Space goat any day. Even at 2 mill.
Even prior to opening this thread I thought we'd need to go after Kaberle considering losing Wiz and Hammer. That having been said though he may cost a hefty penny. Let's hope his non signing is the sign of no interest rather than a lot of interest
He can step up offensively and play well defensively too. Only problem I see really is how much he'd command. Is Kaberle at 5 million per (4-5 year) really > The Wiz at 5.5-6 over 6? I don't think he is given our style of team. We need a shooter on the back end but heck if we're talking defensively I guess Kaberle would fill that specific role better. That having been said though 5 mil for Kaberle is extreme overpayment imo. Given his age the terms could be a nightmare also. I just hope if we do get him he plays well and it's good dollars and terms.
This thread is very telling though I must say. We definitely need to pay somebody with that cap room anyways.
Darche-DD-Kostitsyn (Eller when he returns)
Like conveniently sneaking around the reality that you think your assumptions are facts, constantly.
It's fact, that Hamrlik fizzles out come playoff time if we over extend him throughout the season.
It's fact that to get the best out of Hamrlik come playoff time, we better hope to not have injuries and that he's rested otherwise he'll cost us games.
It's fact that in the next 2 years, he'll only get worse, not better... as he relies less on size but more on his declining mobility.
It's fact that his demands for contract were not in line to what our GM was willing to offer.
It's fact that our GM see's better value in Gill, hence why Gill is returning.
Hamrlik is good if used sparingly; but for this role, the value that Gill brings (salary and PK expertise / shutdown expertise / proven playoff performer / leadership) it's really no surprise why he was the 1st to be offered AND signed.
For that reason, among others, I find this to be a deeply flawed analysis. I don't find it any more telling than +/-. However, kudos to Ozy for compiling the stats nonetheless.
To be fair, Ozymidas is also right. Lidstrom isn't as good as he used to be. He's shrunk from league dominant force to top level number one defenseman. IMO Chara probably did more for his team than Lidstrom did last season. Chara had to cover for some terrible defensive depth on the Bruins by playing huge minutes. They don't win the cup without Chara-Seidenberg both playing 29 minutes a game towards the end, their lesser lights would have gotten torched.