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07-03-2011, 01:58 PM
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nashville cleared cap space to sign both suter, weber and rinne long-term to proper big money contracts.

smart GM's make good moves to secure their futures, not just ********* one year stop gap monkey descions.
Not a valid excuse.

Number one: Nashville already has tons of cap space.

Number two: If they need cap room, bury Lombardi on IR or the minors, and trade franson for quality draft picks/prospects. Don't dump him for garbage.

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Not a valid excuse.

Number one: Nashville already has tons of cap space.

Number two: If they need cap room, bury Lombardi on IR or the minors, and trade franson for quality draft picks/prospects. Don't dump him for garbage.
They dont have MONEY to pay for the players. They still have to pay if somebody is in LTIR.

Player salaries are not the same thing as caproom.

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07-03-2011, 02:02 PM
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They dont have MONEY to pay for the players. They still have to pay if somebody is in LTIR.

Player salaries are not the same thing as caproom.
Bettman failed when he put teams in non-hockey markets so we have to witness these embarassing trades

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Bettman failed when he put teams in non-hockey markets so we have to witness these embarassing trades
Yeah, this is one example of it.

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They dont have MONEY to pay for the players. They still have to pay if somebody is in LTIR.

Player salaries are not the same thing as caproom.
I know, they are a sad sack second tier franchise. That apparantly can't afford to be competitive.

Competeive teams would have followed my illustation...

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07-03-2011, 02:35 PM
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nashville cleared cap space to sign both suter, weber and rinne long-term to proper big money contracts.

smart GM's make good moves to secure their futures, not just ********* one year stop gap monkey descions.
why would Weber and suter want to stay long term at a franchise where cash flow is such a problem, so much so they had to do this trade?

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07-03-2011, 02:35 PM
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I don't get it. Even if you're dumping salary, why give up a young NHL defenseman with great potential when you can cough up a pick or two and get the same results?

Also, they took back Lebda's salary and lost a 20 minute 800k defenseman. How does that make sense?

So you've got a salary dump that doesn't dump much salary, and you've got to spend more money to replace the minutes you're losing by giving up a good cheap young defenseman.

Wow.

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07-03-2011, 02:42 PM
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why would Weber and suter want to stay long term at a franchise where cash flow is such a problem, so much so they had to do this trade?
That's actually a good question. I wonder how you sell your team being a Cup contender to your players if you make moves like this.

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I guess the issue was that Lombardi is a 3.5M player, who will still need to be paid, despite the fact that he might be stuck on LTIR for the entire season. But still, did they really need to give up a cheap, talented roster player to carry out this move? And its not like they got prospects and picks back. They got a so-so prospect, and Brett Lebda - barely an NHL player - who makes $1.4M.

In the end, I think this is one instance where Nashville should've put the "rivalry" with Detroit aside, and actually gotten something back in return. We're one of the few teams who actually has cap space and the money to burn. We could've easily trumped a Slaney/Lebda return.

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07-03-2011, 03:31 PM
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That's actually a good question. I wonder how you sell your team being a Cup contender to your players if you make moves like this.
they have an internal budget

weber will be paid north of 7.5 million on a 7 year plus deal

suter will be paid 6 million on a seven year deal

rinnee will be paid 5plus million of a 5 year deal

the preds have NEVER had players such as these three in their existence all at the same time commanding this kind of money

dumping lombardi to free up money to make signing these three more palpable is brillant.

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they have an internal budget

weber will be paid north of 7.5 million on a 7 year plus deal

suter will be paid 6 million on a seven year deal

rinnee will be paid 5plus million of a 5 year deal

the preds have NEVER had players such as these three in their existence all at the same time commanding this kind of money

dumping lombardi to free up money to make signing these three more palpable is brillant.
Experience suggests you don't win the Cup just with three guys, you need depth. They'll never have it if they need to make moves like this to fit their "internal budget". They'll be a competitive team with those guys but for all the chips to fall in place for a Cup run they'd need a lot of things coming together..

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07-03-2011, 03:57 PM
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Experience suggests you don't win the Cup just with three guys, you need depth. They'll never have it if they need to make moves like this to fit their "internal budget". They'll be a competitive team with those guys but for all the chips to fall in place for a Cup run they'd need a lot of things coming together..
the preds have the deepest and most talented blueline in the NHL, hands down, case closed.
as for forwards, no they dont have a dats or zetts, kane or toews, sedin and sedin, kopitar and richards, but they do ahve a top 9 forward group who for the most part can all chip in offence, are hard to play agsint, arent old and useless, etc..

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Wish the Wings could have pulled off something for Franson. He'd look great in the Winged Wheel.

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07-03-2011, 08:21 PM
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the preds have the deepest and most talented blueline in the NHL, hands down, case closed.
as for forwards, no they dont have a dats or zetts, kane or toews, sedin and sedin, kopitar and richards, but they do ahve a top 9 forward group who for the most part can all chip in offence, are hard to play agsint, arent old and useless, etc..
meh, they have a bunch of 3rd line forwards. nothing to get excited about. they finished with the 8th least number of goals in the NHL for a reason.

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07-03-2011, 10:29 PM
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meh, they have a bunch of 3rd line forwards. nothing to get excited about. they finished with the 8th least number of goals in the NHL for a reason.
They grow a fantastic defense and goaltending so they're in the hunt every year, but they've never developed any kind of offensive talent and haven't been successful at parlaying their defensive depth to fill that hole. This deal is a case in point - they deal from strength but get weaker and don't add anything useful for the offense.

Can't win in the playoffs with a 2nd line and three 4th lines, no matter how good your D and goalie are.

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07-03-2011, 10:32 PM
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In the end, I think this is one instance where Nashville should've put the "rivalry" with Detroit aside, and actually gotten something back in return. We're one of the few teams who actually has cap space and the money to burn. We could've easily trumped a Slaney/Lebda return.
Easy to say from where your sitting. I will trust Poille on this one.

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they have an internal budget

weber will be paid north of 7.5 million on a 7 year plus deal

suter will be paid 6 million on a seven year deal

rinnee will be paid 5plus million of a 5 year deal

the preds have NEVER had players such as these three in their existence all at the same time commanding this kind of money

dumping lombardi to free up money to make signing these three more palpable is brillant.
and surely there will be other teams that can offer those 3 players that kind of money, probably even more via front loaded deals. they can join teams that don't have internal budgets and have better forwards, instead of trying to win every playoff game 1-0 through a fluke goal

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07-04-2011, 04:56 PM
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If you believe the opinions of Predators fans on the Trade board, Franson isn't that good and gets sheltered minutes that make him look better than he is.

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and surely there will be other teams that can offer those 3 players that kind of money, probably even more via front loaded deals. they can join teams that don't have internal budgets and have better forwards, instead of trying to win every playoff game 1-0 through a fluke goal
yes i suppose weber, sute and rinne will walk away from nashville, so too could kronwall and stuart and datsyuk, players are not beating down hollands door to come to detroit anymore, not by the looks of things.

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I've been a fan of Franson since he came into the league, I sure wish we could have got him. But there's no way Nashville deals him inside their own division for peanuts like this, especially not to the Wings.

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If you believe the opinions of Predators fans on the Trade board, Franson isn't that good and gets sheltered minutes that make him look better than he is.
Even if he isn't astounding defensively, he has put up decent point totals at lower level leagues and has the size that you would hope he could at least be punishing to play against.

And it's important to remember the guy is only 23, I think he could come a long way by the time he is 26/27.

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was shocked that Lebda actually had value and netted the Leafs Franson...
there are ways to unload a contract such as Lombardi's but to give up a young D such as Franson is surprising...
I'm not saying Franson is the next best thing.. LOL, but geez I would have thought Franson could have got the Preds something of value..
add to the fact that if Lombardi doesn't play 60 games the Leafs get a 4th as well.. Wow..
So Lebda gets you Franson and a 4th??? who would have known.. LOL...

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