I think best case scenario is 80+ first line winger who's in the top five in the league for powerplay production. More likely, he's a second line player who plays on your first unit powerplay. But some of the things I've seen him do... he might be a special player.
Havlat has been awful for a while. Heatley on a bad to average year produces about as much as Havlat on a good year.
Looking at stats, they're actually pretty even over the past few years. Havlat is going to a much better team, Heatley is going to a much worse one. We'll see how things look this time next year. Heatley has to get back to the 40 or so goal mark for Minny to win the deal IMHO.
Like the deal a little better for San Jose too as they were able to get rid of Heatley before he completely bottomed out, they knew he wasn't going to put them over the top and they clear 2 1/2 mil of cap space. They also didn't have to settle for picks and prospects.
I like aspects of Omark's game better than Eberle. I think Omark is tougher and and a bit more skilled. Eberle is a more natural goal-scorer, but I don't think it's entirely out of the realm of possibility for Omark to outscore Eberle over the course of the next ten years.
I'm in no rush to trade Eberle, but he'd likely command trade value as a player that teams expect to play on their first line for the next decade. I don't think Omark commands that kind of respect yet. If you were trying to get, I dunno, Shea Weber... it'd be Eberle that would likely get you in the conversation, not Omark. And for me, not being entirely convinced that Eberle simply is the better player long-term, it makes no sense to deal Omark if you're looking to deal out one of your young wingers for a high-end defenceman.
I don't think the stats back up your position to be honest. Eberle earned a roster spot at a younger age, had more points, a better PPG, better +/-, more TOI...All signs point to Eberle being a better player NOW than Omark.
I'm not really into trading any of the young guys except for Cogliano. Trading guys like Gagner and Omark just has to much of a chance to bite us in the butt a la Miro Satan, Jason Arnott etc. I think we can wait until the trade deadline to move anyone in the top 9 including Hemsky.
I like the fact that we have too many forwards right now. Bring everyone to camp, have them fight for their damn jobs for once, and waive whoever isn't good enough (Brule, Hordi, etc.) before the season starts.
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I don't think the stats back up your position to be honest. Eberle earned a roster spot at a younger age, had more points, a better PPG, better +/-, more TOI...All signs point to Eberle being a better player NOW than Omark.
This, and the fact that Eberle isn't as far along in his development.
If Omark was also 21 and in his first season of pro hockey, I might be willing to believe that Omark will be a better player than Eberle.
Plus, as much as Omark is very creative and strong with the puck, the stats also back up that, where Omark is strong defensively, he is quite dismal defensively. I'll take a strong offensive and defensive player over a stronger offensive and weak defensive player any day. Defense wins championships, not a lack thereof.
Edit: FTR, I don't want to see Omark get traded either, until we really know for sure what we have. I just think that if there is a winger on our team that seems to be the odd guy out, it is Omark, especially if Hemsky resigns here.
One thing about Eberle is that he's smarter than everybody else his age.
Some of the guys who he's head-and-shoulders better than right now might learn to understand the game better, and Eberle won't have such a big edge over them later on.
I don't think the stats back up your position to be honest. Eberle earned a roster spot at a younger age, had more points, a better PPG, better +/-, more TOI...All signs point to Eberle being a better player NOW than Omark.
Omark also has had a history of being a scorer in multiple professional leagues, and has had to transition to not one, but two new professional leagues in North America after playing his entire career in Europe.
Some guys just have a later trajectory. Is Dubnyk automatically going to be a better goalie than Thomas because he made the league earlier, and has had greater success at an earlier age?
I'm just looking at the players, and I see them on a little more even terms offensively. Eberle is probably a better two-way player long-term, but I still think Omark has the best chance to be #2 behind Hall in terms of offensive production over the next several years.
Oilers signed Thomas Kaberle to a 2 year deal? I know he's not necessarily the best in a shutdown role. But we got such a fast moving team, and he's a big upgrade on pretty well our entire defense core except maybe Whitney who is a similar style player.
I'd actually guess Hemsky is more available than Omark, who's more available than Eberle.
When Leino is getting $4.5/yr, Connolly getting $4.5/yr while never crossing 70 points, and Kopecky getting over $3M/yr (IIRC) after breaking 30 points for the first time last year, Hemsky must be licking his lips heading into FA.
Depending on what Tambo thinks of his(Hemsky's) injury history, I could see us dealing him this offseason or TDD.
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