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07-04-2011, 01:08 AM
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Stamkos and Doughty Trade Proposal

Just a hypothetical summer scenario: assuming Steven Stamkos and the Lightning do not get a deal done and neither do the Kings with Drew Doughty, how would a Stamkos for Doughty one for one swap serve both teams? This basically just reverses the 1st and 2nd overall picks in the 2008 draft.

Stamkos goes to LA and assumes the number one center position, playing ahead of Mike Richards, with Anze Kopitar shifted to LW on the first line.

Drew Doughty goes to Tampa and becomes the cornerstone of their blueline, forming a dynamic one two pair with Victor Hedman. Also, as Doughty is rumoured to be looking at between $6 and $6.8 million, which makes the contract cheaper for the Lightning to commit to as opposed to a Stamkos deal.

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07-04-2011, 01:11 AM
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Just a hypothetical summer scenario: assuming Steven Stamkos and the Lightning do not get a deal done and neither do the Kings with Drew Doughty, how would a Stamkos for Doughty one for one swap serve both teams? This basically just reverses the 1st and 2nd overall picks in the 2008 draft.

Stamkos goes to LA and assumes the number one center position, playing ahead of Mike Richards, with Anze Kopitar shifted to LW on the first line.

Drew Doughty goes to Tampa and becomes the cornerstone of their blueline, forming a dynamic one two pair with Victor Hedman. Also, as Doughty is rumoured to be looking at between $6 and $6.8 million, which makes the contract cheaper for the Lightning to commit to as opposed to a Stamkos deal.
Lightning fans will begin flaming you in 3...2...1...FLAMING BEGINS!!!

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Lightning fans will begin flaming you in 3...2...1...FLAMING BEGINS!!!
Don't care.

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Doughty/Richards for Stamkos/Hedman

Wowzers.

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07-04-2011, 01:25 AM
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L.A. doesn't need Stamkos, Tampa doesn't really need Doughty

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i would take doughty over stamkos...

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07-04-2011, 01:34 AM
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Could you imagine the **** storm a trade like this would bring to HF? The servers wouldn't have a chance

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Lightning fans will begin flaming you in 3...2...1...FLAMING BEGINS!!!
I don't see why. I wouldn't do it, but it's as close to fair value as your going to get

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Could you imagine the **** storm a trade like this would bring to HF? The servers wouldn't have a chance
Yes, it makes you wonder what this place would have been like for the Gretzky, Lindros or even Clark/Sundin deals. We haven't seen some talent for talent deals of that magnitude in ages, but it would be something.

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After Richards...LA doesn't really need any more depth up front. Stamkos really doesn't play the game that LA employs either.

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After Richards...LA doesn't really need any more depth up front. Stamkos really doesn't play the game that LA employs either.
All true...

Except the asset in return is Stamkos. Our D is so deep, we could easily promote Johnson to 1st pairing PMD, Martinez to 2nd pairing, Voynov/Hickey to 3rd pairing, etc. We just have tons of D and lots of them are offensive puck movers.

If they pulled this trade, I would turn right around and offer Stamkos to Philly for Giroux+

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07-04-2011, 02:55 AM
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Bad trading partners regardless of value either way. Neither team wants to get rid of their franchise youngsters and create logjams and lose players for positions they are both already fine with.

Just because either one of them are RFA's means nothing and doesn't mean that it is alright to trade them because of it. Do you see any of the other top RFA's outside of Doughty and Stamkos that have signed? They are all waiting and negotiating. No rush, no panic.

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I love Doughty, but neither team needs this trade.

That being said, for fun sake, I think Stammer's value is a *tad* higher than Doughty. LA might need to throw in a good prospect or a decent roster player to make the offer stick. As great as a Norris caliber defenseman is, there are fewer goal scorers of Stamkos' caliber.

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Doughty is worth more in this trade.

I personally believe (and I'm sure people will rip me) that this guy is the best dman in the league. He had a bad year and it was better than most other players' best years.

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I think such a trade creates a bigger hole for LA than for Tampa. IMO Hedman will never be that good. Losing Stamkos hurts, hurts very much but can be replaced with a player with slightly less upside more easily IMO.

LA adds a great player in Stamkos, but they already have two great centers (I never understood why LA wanted B.Richards also). On the backline they wont have a cornerstone anymore. Jack Johnson is a 2nd pairing defenseman, borderline 1st on some teams (like LA).

Just pure valuewise I think Stamkos has a little more value than Doughty but I would never trade Doughty for him at this point.

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07-04-2011, 04:09 AM
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If Tampa can't sign Stamkos and LA can't sign Doughty, why would the other way round be any better?

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Who cares if Stamkos doesn't fit in LA's system. Are you actually gonna say no to one of the best snipers this league has seen in a number of years?

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Who cares if Stamkos doesn't fit in LA's system. Are you actually gonna say no to one of the best snipers this league has seen in a number of years?
At the cost of one of the best 2 way defensemen in the league? Yes.

LA has a top 6 all capable of 25-30g each. If you don't need it, don't create a hole.

Defense wins games and Stamkos is not a 2 way player. LA would take it (ala Kovalchuk), but I highly doubt that DL would trade a franchise D for a one dimensional franchise C.

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Who cares if Stamkos doesn't fit in LA's system. Are you actually gonna say no to one of the best snipers this league has seen in a number of years?
LA rather have Doughty. TB rather have Stamkos.

As a neutral fan however, I'd rather have Doughty.

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Im glad the LA fans see this is dumb.

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Doughty>>>>>>>>Stamkos without MSL.
Doughty had a bad offensive year, but his +\- was high, and his defensive play is getting every time better.
There are not many teams that i see trowing offer sheets to him: Toronto, Detroit, Edmonton(hope), maybe a surprise like Calgary(no).

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I think such a trade creates a bigger hole for LA than for Tampa. IMO Hedman will never be that good. Losing Stamkos hurts, hurts very much but can be replaced with a player with slightly less upside more easily IMO.

LA adds a great player in Stamkos, but they already have two great centers (I never understood why LA wanted B.Richards also). On the backline they wont have a cornerstone anymore. Jack Johnson is a 2nd pairing defenseman, borderline 1st on some teams (like LA).

Just pure valuewise I think Stamkos has a little more value than Doughty but I would never trade Doughty for him at this point.
No. No he can't. Stamkos has two out of three seasons with 45+ goals at the age of 21. You don't replace that easily.

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No. No he can't. Stamkos has two out of three seasons with 45+ goals at the age of 21. You don't replace that easily.
I said MORE easily for a player with slightly less upside. Perhaps my english is bad, but I think I was very clear this time and you have a reading problem.

Of course you wont replace either a Doughty or Stamkos easily.

If I had to choose though...potential franchise defenseman, #1 defenseman two way game, 25 minutes a night on the ice vs. young sniper with two 45+ goals seasons already but not great defensively. I think there are more players out there with 25G-30G/40-60A potential (so slightly under Stamkos' level) than players like Doughty.


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Hahaha I can't believe Eklund picked up on this one...

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i'd rather have doughty

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