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07-04-2011, 12:19 PM
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not going to happen, and with this price its better that it doesn't

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07-04-2011, 12:20 PM
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To Buffalo:

- Stamkos


To Tampa Bay:

- Roy
- Ennis
- Sekera
- 2 First Round Picks
- One of Enroth/McNabb/Foligno/Kassian/Pysyk (Tampa's Choice)

Scraps? Roy? Ennis? Sekera? 1st Rounders? Enroth? Please you insult yourself not looking at this deal

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07-04-2011, 12:25 PM
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No it doesn't start with Myers. Myers is just as much of a wanted player as Stamkos. Why not just give him an offersheet at 10mil per.... see how Tampa reacts to that.

I'm not saying Roy is expendable.... the exact opposite.... I'm surpised at how Sabres fans are just willing to trade our top center away so easily because Leino is there. If they trade him in an upgrade (Malkin, Stamkos, Spezza) then great.

IMO this deal isn't too much for a team that wants to win now.
Not even remotely close.

Myers is a great young player but he's still several levels below Stamkos.

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07-04-2011, 12:26 PM
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If it doesn't start with Myers then it's safe to say Stamkos wouldn't be going to Buffalo.

Star players aren't available for just your team's scraps and bad contracts with a 1st rounder or two thrown in for sprinkles on top.
Scraps? Where?

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07-04-2011, 12:30 PM
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To Buffalo:

- Stamkos


To Toronto:

- Grabovski
- Kadri
- Gunnarsson
- 2 First Round Picks
- One of Scrivens/Blacker/Gardiner/McKegg/Biggs (Tampa's Choice)
How about that? Basically same package ... Different team

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07-04-2011, 12:32 PM
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I'd do Myers ....

To Tampa:
Myers/ Pomminville / Adam and 1st

To Buffalo:

Stamkos and 3rd

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07-04-2011, 12:34 PM
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I'm way too high to give up Enroth and all that. I really think he has potential to be a top 10 goalie, will that be with the Sabres? Most likely no, but I think trading him now would be a mistake. Any of those other prospects and the deal listed, yeah i could do that.
You don't do a deal for Stamkos to hold onto Enroth?

In this era where goalie depth is at an all time high?

Ummm, yeah. There are reasons not to like the Sabres risk in that deal. But, giving up Enroth is not one of them, IMO.

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07-04-2011, 12:35 PM
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I'd do Myers ....

To Tampa:
Myers/ Pomminville / Adam and 1st

To Buffalo:

Stamkos and 3rd
I think there are few Sabres fans that would deal Myers for anyone. Let alone as part of a package for anyone.

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07-04-2011, 12:36 PM
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Not even remotely close.

Myers is a great young player but he's still several levels below Stamkos.
That may be.

But, Myers is pretty much untouchable from a Sabres POV.

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07-04-2011, 12:45 PM
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...which Tampa would insta-match.
My question if Tampa would insta-match any offer sheet than why havent they just offered Stamkos a max, or near max deal like a crosby deal?

They should jsut get him locked up rather than dealing with the awkwardness of dealing with an offersheet, and decdiding whether or not to match and all that.

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07-04-2011, 12:47 PM
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What people aren't realizing is that Stamkos can be offer-sheeted for 4 1st rounders. Why would a team trade a prized asset like Myers and others when they can offer 4 bottom 15 picks in exchange?

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07-04-2011, 12:49 PM
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My question if Tampa would insta-match any offer sheet than why havent they just offered Stamkos a max, or near max deal like a crosby deal?

They should jsut get him locked up rather than dealing with the awkwardness of dealing with an offersheet, and decdiding whether or not to match and all that.
Because they're trying to lock him up to something not that expensive.

A Crosby like deal would be 10-10.5M a year for 5 years. Tampa doesn't want to go that high without adding significantly more years on the end of the deal.

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07-04-2011, 12:54 PM
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Buffalo doesn't have the assets to get Stamkos.

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07-04-2011, 12:57 PM
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Because they're trying to lock him up to something not that expensive.

A Crosby like deal would be 10-10.5M a year for 5 years. Tampa doesn't want to go that high without adding significantly more years on the end of the deal.
Isnt Sid locked up more long term than that? No way Stamkos doesn't sign a contract that doesn't lock him up for life. I assumed Tampa, or whoever made an offer would throw out a 10+ year deal at 100+ million.

Maybe 15 years 120 mill? Thats certainly realistic when it comes to age at end of contract. Only a 8.0 cap hit. I guess Stamkos is holding out for max money, or the best offer sheet someone can come up with?

Ovechkins was 13 years @ 124 for comparison. Stamkos shouldn't* get more per year that Ovie. that was a couple years ago though

Edit: youre right. Crosby only signed a 5 year extension. if anything its a perfect example why stamkos should sign a long term 100+ mill deal. If Crosby doesnt come back 100% from concussions he will have lost out on probly 80+ million in a new contract


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07-04-2011, 01:01 PM
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So what is stopping teams from offer sheeting Stamkos? ... Throw out the fact that Tampa will just match blah blah blah .... Don't matter... either they do..or they don't ... Is it the honor code hoopla? .... Sabres should just do it... they were forced to match Vaneks offer sheet that put them in the hole .... So.. I say.. as a Sabre fan .. Do it. .. Move pieces to clear cap space later on.

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07-04-2011, 01:05 PM
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So what is stopping teams from offer sheeting Stamkos? ... Throw out the fact that Tampa will just match blah blah blah .... Don't matter... either they do..or they don't ... Is it the honor code hoopla? .... Sabres should just do it... they were forced to match Vaneks offer sheet that put them in the hole .... So.. I say.. as a Sabre fan .. Do it. .. Move pieces to clear cap space later on.
Im def with you on throwing an offer sheet out there. We'd have to already have trades lined up to clear the cap room. probly Boyes, Kotalik, and pominville. We could be in a tough position next year as well when we have to re up Myers.

But regardless, id say take the shot while you can. You dont getg a chance like this often.

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07-04-2011, 01:08 PM
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My question if Tampa would insta-match any offer sheet than why havent they just offered Stamkos a max, or near max deal like a crosby deal?
Put yourself in Yzerman's shoes: why kowtow when you don't necessarily have to? This may seem shocking to those who subscribe to wildly speculative reasoning that justifies Stamkos' departure, but the Lightning still hold significant leverage. The absolute last thing Yzerman should do here is panic.

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They should jsut get him locked up rather than dealing with the awkwardness of dealing with an offersheet, and decdiding whether or not to match and all that.
Nobody knows for certain whether an offer-sheet has or will be submitted to Stamkos' camp; we do know, however, that he has not, at present, signed one. If you think Lightning brass haven't accounted for the possibility of an offer-sheet, you're deluding yourself. An offer-sheet actually makes Yzerman's job a helluva lot easier; negotiations end and the Lightning's brass has a defined period to make a decision. To be clear, that is not to say the terms would be better than a prolonged period of negotiations would yield.

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07-04-2011, 01:08 PM
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...which Tampa would insta-match.
Front load it. Give Stamkos so league max for the first few years. They can't afford to pay him 12.8M when they are already paying LeCavalier 10M a year for the next 5 years.

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07-04-2011, 01:16 PM
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Why can't they afford to pay that? Google Vinik and you will see we have an owner that is rich ($500m + team + 3% of Red Socks) and getting richer (private Hedge Fund with $3.3b investments which he manages/controls and gets a % of the profits that are 2x to 7x that of the stock market over the last 5 years).

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07-04-2011, 01:21 PM
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Put yourself in Yzerman's shoes: why kowtow when you don't necessarily have to? This may seem shocking to those who subscribe to wildly speculative reasoning that justifies Stamkos' departure, but the Lightning still hold significant leverage. The absolute last thing Yzerman should do here is panic.



Nobody knows for certain whether an offer-sheet has or will be submitted to Stamkos' camp; we do know, however, that he has not, at present, signed one. If you think Lightning brass haven't accounted for the possibility of an offer-sheet, you're deluding yourself. An offer-sheet actually makes Yzerman's job a helluva lot easier; negotiations end and the Lightning's brass has a defined period to make a decision. To be clear, that is not to say the terms would be better than a prolonged period of negotiations would yield.

True about whether an offer has been submitted. I assumed that if an offer had been officially given to Stamkos we woulda found out about it somehow. But it is possible we wouldnt know until he signed it. No, ofcourse theyve considered the fact teams are interested in offer sheeting Stamkos.

I would think Stamkos has the leverage. If he doesn't want to be in tampa then he discuss contracts with interested teams and sign the most expesnive deal. If Tampa matches then they match, nothin he can do about that leverage.

I guess if anything, my point is im a bit surprised he hasn't signed an offer sheet yet, or if the case may be, that a team hasn't offered him one yet. He could be reviewing a handful of offers and thats what is taking time.

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07-04-2011, 01:23 PM
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Front load it. Give Stamkos so league max for the first few years. They can't afford to pay him 12.8M when they are already paying LeCavalier 10M a year for the next 5 years.
And you know this...how? Oh, wait, you are merely spouting off assumptions in the guise of fact? Color me shocked. SHOCKED!

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Buffalo doesn't have the assets to get Stamkos.
lol

We have one of the deepest prospect pools in the NHL.

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Why can't they afford to pay that? Google Vinik and you will see we have an owner that is rich ($500m + team + 3% of Red Socks) and getting richer (private Hedge Fund with $3.3b investments which he manages/controls and gets a % of the profits that are 2x to 7x that of the stock market over the last 5 years).

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To be honest.... 500 Mill is not that much .... Not saying he couldn't afford it ... because im sure he can....... But.... to give a guy 120 Million bucks is a pretty good chunk from that 500 Mill ... And i doubt he'd want to tap into his other assets that he obviously has a plan for ... Question really isn't if he can... but.... if he would want to .... Not saying either way.... But you know these rich folk.. they can be the stingiest mf'ers around ..lol

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lol

We have one of the deepest prospect pools in the NHL.
Buffalo has a deep prospect pool, but it doesn't have a lot of top end talent. Tampa would want either solid young NHL players or blue-chip prospects who project to be top line or top d pairing guys.

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To Buffalo:

- Stamkos


To Tampa Bay:

- Roy
- Ennis
- Sekera
- 2 First Round Picks
- One of Enroth/McNabb/Foligno/Kassian/Pysyk (Tampa's Choice)

Scraps? Roy? Ennis? Sekera? 1st Rounders? Enroth? Please you insult yourself not looking at this deal
As a neutral third party

To Buffalo

Stamkos

To Tampa

Myers
Miller
2012 1st round pick
2013 1st round pick

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