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07-04-2011, 06:19 PM
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Chances are if Nashville let him go for a return of Lebda and the other dude...he's not as good as the hype machine would indicate. Nashville has a pretty decent track record of developping defensemen, I think I'll trust them on this one.

Just like how Alexander Sulzer was supposed to be a stud...still waiting on that one.

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07-04-2011, 06:20 PM
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Markov > Phaneuf
Subban > Schenn
Gorges > Liles
Gill > their current #4 (not Franson lol)
Price >>>>> Reimer

rest is irrelevant


nothing > Komisarek
LOL!...but in all seriousness,

Emelin>>>komisarek.

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07-04-2011, 06:31 PM
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Hate to say it....but I think Toronto's defense is better than ours

Markov >>> Phaneuf
Suban >> Liles
Gorges << Schenn
Gill < Franson
Spacek << Aulie
Weber < Gunnarsson
Nothing < Komisarek

Wild Cards:

Yemelin - Gardiner
Who knows, maybe Yemelin > Phaneuf

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07-04-2011, 06:53 PM
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Franson, what has he done to be considered a stud? Did I miss something?
where is my 6`5" right handed shot ready to play top 4 minutes ?

how many ready made D men do we have in the system ahead of Franson right now ?

the dude is not a bust

he put up decent numbers in what 16 minutes of ice time and at 23 is only going to get better

bro he would be our third best D man right now behind PK .. and Markov ( if he plays 50 games this year ) way more upside than Jorges and Gill and Spacek are done
and we have no clue what Emelin is and Webber is just a 3rd pairing guy

there was no risk at all here ....if the Leafs gave up lets say Kadri or Gunnarson I would agree but for Pete`s this is like us giving up Carle or Webber ( they will never be a top 4 in this league ) and Gabriel Dumont ( who will never play in this league )


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07-04-2011, 06:59 PM
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Did you forget that Lombardi was in the deal also? I'm sure Franson was the sweeten the deal to get rid of Lombardi.

But sigh geeman, you and your "our GM screwed up again" mentality is getting pretty old.
for 2 years cap this was not a big issue with Lombardi my good man

if he had 5 years ....walk away

if the dude can play the 60 games as part of the transcation ...he would be our best bottom 6 player and you get the upside of Franson

we had the cap to do this my friend

D was our biggest need by far not even close ....next year we would of saved 1 less headache replacing Gill and Spacek at once

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07-04-2011, 07:06 PM
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This.

He's got the potential to be a good #3-4 guy down the road. Will he ever reach it? By all means we didn't have a comparable to Lebda on defense (Spacek makes way more and Gorges is better than Franson). Was Nashville interested in a forward? Only Moen really fits the profile in terms of cap hit/trade chip (no way we trade Pacioretty/DDH). I doubt Nashville was even looking at a roster forward to come back in the trade.

So the question boils down to whether you'd trade Weber for Lombardi's cap hit & Franson. Ultimately I think it boils down to how high we are on Weber and what management intends to do with the current open cap space we have..

It was a good deal for Toronto because they won't be able to fill all their cap space (barring more miracle trades), but we are much closer to the cap and I don't think PG is done.

Webber in a second to get this done ..... I will take a 6`5" maybe 3-4 any day over a 5`10" never will be a 3-4 anyday of the week

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07-04-2011, 07:08 PM
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Chances are if Nashville let him go for a return of Lebda and the other dude...he's not as good as the hype machine would indicate. Nashville has a pretty decent track record of developping defensemen, I think I'll trust them on this one.

Just like how Alexander Sulzer was supposed to be a stud...still waiting on that one.
When Finger was in Colorado , he was suppose to be a stud too, got a big contract and look at him now.

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07-04-2011, 07:09 PM
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Webber in a second to get this done ..... I will take a 6`5" maybe 3-4 any day over a 5`10" never will be a 3-4 anyday of the week
Keep in mind we don't know what PG has in mind for the cap space that Lombardi's cap hit would consume.

Just trying to be objective here. Nothing has been done yet, but people we're freaking out BEFORE July 1st that we weren't going to do anything so yeah.

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07-04-2011, 07:10 PM
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Compared to what we have in our system right now.....he sure is.

I'd take Franson over Weber, Tinordi, Carle, Klubbertanz, Nash, etc...

The Leafs got him for free. So they have to take on 3.5 in Lombardi's CAP space.....boo hoo!

I'd take that trade every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Plus Lombardi might not even play, therefore his CAP wouldn't count, and he's a Montreal boy to boot. I won't blame Goatse on this one, as like me, he probably didn't know Franson was in play.


agreed 100% this was a no brainer

plus the chance of Kosty coming back after next year is slim

if Lombardi comes back at full strength you have a solid top 9 for 1 more year at
3.5 .

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07-04-2011, 07:16 PM
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Lombardi's salary only comes off the books if you're spending towards the max, which as of now the Leafs aren't. The cost to get Franson was larger than most people assume. Good move for the Leafs for sure, but they're also investing a lot in a guy that has serious concussion problems, a hard sell to almost every owner.

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07-04-2011, 07:19 PM
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agreed 100% this was a no brainer

plus the chance of Kosty coming back after next year is slim

if Lombardi comes back at full strength you have a solid top 9 for 1 more year at
3.5 .
Franson is a RFA after next season, and Lombardi only played a handful of game. If Franson get 2.5m next season when added to Lombardi its 6m for that players. If you buy out Lombardi you will still be in the 4 to 5m for Franson.

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07-04-2011, 07:23 PM
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Also from what the preds fans have stated, cody franson is, at most, marginally faster then komisarek was (to the point its deemed a wash) so yes he has offensive instincts but he's basically a 6'5" gill who can pass...
Wouldn't a younger, more offensively inclined "gill who can pass" be a pretty good addition, and Even an upgrade over the "regular" gill?

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07-04-2011, 07:27 PM
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Webber in a second to get this done ..... I will take a 6`5" maybe 3-4 any day over a 5`10" never will be a 3-4 anyday of the week
I haven't seen enough of Franson to know he's a for sure 3-4...

But I've seen enough of weber to believe with confidence that he'll be a solid 3-4, if not a solid top-pairing dman in a few years.

Interested to hear why you think he'll "never b a 3-4"...

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07-04-2011, 07:35 PM
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Interested to hear why you think he'll "never b a 3-4"...
Because he wasn't involved in a flashy July trade that most of HFBoards can't comprehend during one of the most boring UFA periods in NHL history.

Edit: On second thought, it hasn't been that boring, there have been some crazy trades the last 2 weeks.

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07-04-2011, 07:44 PM
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PG probably looking for more of a veteran presence to add to the D over a younger Franson.

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for 2 years cap this was not a big issue with Lombardi my good man

if he had 5 years ....walk away

if the dude can play the 60 games as part of the transcation ...he would be our best bottom 6 player and you get the upside of Franson

we had the cap to do this my friend

D was our biggest need by far not even close ....next year we would of saved 1 less headache replacing Gill and Spacek at once
You talk about 3.5 like it's nothing, but next year with Price and Subban to sign as an RFA, look at all these players wanting more money... Gauthier is not looking to make salary dumps for other teams, this can work out well for Toronto but at the same time it could be nothing special. Again, I would of liked Franson, but it's just not a deal that Gauthier was fishing around for.

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07-04-2011, 08:11 PM
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nothing > Komisarek
Leafs must keep Komisarek. Who else is going to set up Cammalleri perfectly in the slot?

Perhaps Komisarek can tutor Franson on the finer skills of give-aways.

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07-04-2011, 08:16 PM
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Why does everyone assume that Franson was shopped around?

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Hate to say it....but I think Toronto's defense is better than ours

Markov >>> Phaneuf
Suban >> Liles
Gorges << Schenn
Gill < Franson
Spacek << Aulie
Weber < Gunnarsson
Nothing < Komisarek

Wild Cards:

Yemelin - Gardiner
You are short changing Franson and especially Schenn in those comparisons and I'd argue Weber is better than Gunnarsson while Aulie will destroy Spacek this season. Overall we have the better top tier defensemen but Toronto is superior depth all around.

Frankly though, I would rather nothing than Komisarek.

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plus the chance of Kosty coming back after next year is slim

if Lombardi comes back at full strength you have a solid top 9 for 1 more year at
3.5 .
Lots of if's in your statement. A lot of posters said Kosty wouldn't even be signed but he was. I'm not saying that Burke didn't make a good deal but they were in a different situation than the Habs

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These are the types of deals that active, aggressive GM's make.

PG is not one of those.

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Honestly, no GM is perfect. Where was everyone when Grabner was snatched up on waivers?
In all fairness...he didn't get that far up the list. The Isles had one of the first shots at him. Florida is the only team to blame on that one.

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Why does everyone assume that Franson was shopped around?
because geeman wouldn't be able to complain about it

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Hate to say it....but I think Toronto's defense is better than ours

Markov >>> Phaneuf
Suban >> Liles
Gorges << Schenn
Gill < Franson
Spacek << Aulie
Weber < Gunnarsson
Nothing < Komisarek

Wild Cards:

Yemelin - Gardiner
Their defense was good last year too, probably better than ours for sure. I said it last year too, their defense is mobile and good at moving hte puck whereas ours is slow as **** and was hard to improve. Doesn't change the fact our offense and goaltending make them look like an AHL squad.

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These are the types of deals that active, aggressive GM's make.

PG is not one of those.
So was the Phil Kessel deal. Too bad we missed the boat on that one, huh? Or are we only counting the "aggressive GM"'s good moves?

Signing Erik Cole when he hit free agency would have been another good move for an active, aggressive GM. Too bad PG is not one of those.

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