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Rangers Prospect Poll: #9

View Poll Results: Who is the #9 Rangers prospect?
Jesper Fasth 48 45.71%
Ryan Bourque 7 6.67%
Oscar Lindberg 7 6.67%
Tomas Kundratek 8 7.62%
Pavel Valentenko 33 31.43%
Andrew Yogan 2 1.90%
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07-05-2011, 12:39 AM
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Rangers Prospect Poll: #9

With 90% of the vote, LW Carl Hagelin easily won the round. Sparkplug Ryan Bourque took the right to join the poll.

Don't forget to write-in who should be added in the next round. Also would be good to include a discussion/argument on why you voted for a particular prospect.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. LW Chris Kreider
2. D Ryan McDonagh
3. D Tim Erixon
4. RW Christian Thomas
5. D Dylan McIlrath
6. LW/RW Mats Zuccarello
7. C/LW J.T. Miller
8. LW Carl Hagelin

Carl Hagelin
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Born Aug 23 1988 -- Sodertalje, Sweden
Height 5.11 -- Weight 176 -- Shoots L

2010-11 U. of Michigan CCHA 44 18 31 49 39

He has done so much because of his speed, and he has made himself better each year by preparing in the off-season and getting as strong as he can for his size. He's also an elite character kid because you don't usually see a Swedish kid that's the captain of a U.S. college team.
- Gordie Clark in 2011


"He sort of began as an energy penalty-killer for them (Michigan) as a freshman, and now he plays in a lot of big roles... He has just steadily improved. He's really fast, and he's gotten stronger and faster each year."
- Gordie Clark in 2010.



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Easily Jesper Fasth. He's established himself as a 2-3 line tweener in the very difficult Swedish Elite League, playing against adults at the age of 18. He also scored a point per game in the WJC, again as an 18 year old. Easy pick for me here.

Add Dale Weise. The guy deserves to be up there considering how close he is to making the NHL. At worst, he should be a fourth liner, but he has a real chance to be a decent third liner. He is big, he's tough and he scored over 0.8 points per game in the AHL.

In fact, he was 3rd in scoring per game in Hartford last year. Not bad for a tough guy. He deserves to be up there, being voted upon.

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Fasth, add Fogarty

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07-05-2011, 12:58 AM
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I like Valentenko's game. Solid in his zone. Shot blocking machine. Canon from the point. High +/- if you care about the stat. If not for the pleth of depth on the blue line, I would say he is a lock to make the team this year. It's a contract year for VTank so I expect him to come to camp ready to romp.

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07-05-2011, 01:08 AM
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Valentenko is the pick.

Add Fogarty; can't ignore the fact he was selected prior to St Croix...

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07-05-2011, 01:11 AM
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07-05-2011, 01:13 AM
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Tank followed by Fasth. Then Linberg/Kundratek.

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07-05-2011, 02:02 AM
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Honestly, I'm not sure how Valentenko is leading this round whereas Weise is not even getting votes to be listed in the poll. Both are big guys who are on the verge of making the NHL; this is the key year to show what they are worth for both players; both are projected to spend their career on the bottom line/pairing though both have potential to do a little better than that (2nd pairing vs. 3rd line).

You would think that either Vally would not be voted for right now or Weise would at least be in the poll.

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Going with Lindberg and Weise. Statistically Lindberg and Fasth are really close. Both 20 year olds playing in the SEL. Lindberg is a little bigger and has that astounding faceoff win %. Maybe he's only the next Blair Betts but hopefully he'll be better than that. He's got the speed--is known for his defense and physical play and being great on draws leads me to think he's going to be a regular NHL'er in the next few years.

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Going with Lindberg and Weise. Statistically Lindberg and Fasth are really close. Both 20 year olds playing in the SEL. Lindberg is a little bigger and has that astounding faceoff win %. Maybe he's only the next Blair Betts but hopefully he'll be better than that. He's got the speed--is known for his defense and physical play and being great on draws leads me to think he's going to be a regular NHL'er in the next few years.

To me, the three Swedes (Hagelin, Fasth and Lindberg) should close out our top-10. But I don't know, it seems like Vally may get one of the last two spots. Personally, I am more optimistic about any of those three Swedes than Vally.

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Easily Jesper Fasth. He's established himself as a 2-3 line tweener in the very difficult Swedish Elite League, playing against adults at the age of 18. He also scored a point per game in the WJC, again as an 18 year old. Easy pick for me here.

Add Dale Weise. The guy deserves to be up there considering how close he is to making the NHL. At worst, he should be a fourth liner, but he has a real chance to be a decent third liner. He is big, he's tough and he scored over 0.8 points per game in the AHL.

In fact, he was 3rd in scoring per game in Hartford last year. Not bad for a tough guy. He deserves to be up there, being voted upon.
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Going with Lindberg and Weise. Statistically Lindberg and Fasth are really close. Both 20 year olds playing in the SEL. Lindberg is a little bigger and has that astounding faceoff win %. Maybe he's only the next Blair Betts but hopefully he'll be better than that. He's got the speed--is known for his defense and physical play and being great on draws leads me to think he's going to be a regular NHL'er in the next few years.
Taking Fasth (again) in a close one over Lindberg. He actually played significant time on his team's 1st line last year and the numbers don't reflect the fact that I believe he was injured for part of the year as well as that he was demoted part way through the season and came back up to play at a significantly higher level in the second half. Combine that with the reports that he was one of the most dangerous players for Sweden's WJC team and the fact that he was just under .5 PPG vs. Oscar's just over .33 PPG, and I give the nod to Fasth. It's close though, especially since Lindberg has that great face-off ability and appears to have stepped up his game in the SEL playoffs. They could easily swap places (and both could easily move up) in our next rankings.

Add Fogarty, who sounds like an intriguing hybrid of Stepan and Yogan.

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For the third time in a row: Valentenko. Add Bourque.

Fasth is definitely next.

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To me, the three Swedes (Hagelin, Fasth and Lindberg) should close out our top-10. But I don't know, it seems like Vally may get one of the last two spots. Personally, I am more optimistic about any of those three Swedes than Vally.
Agreed about the three Swedes. I think they're tightly grouped in terms of potential, although I actually think in order of upside it's Fasth/Lindberg/Hagelin, whereas I would flip the order in terms of likelihood to pan out.

I hear what you and eco's bones are saying about Weise, but I just can't shake the Greg Moore impression that he gives me. Like MZA, he's a player that will get added (and then voted on) by others before I'm ready to select him.

But that goes to what I was talking about in the last poll. I'm really encouraged that we have a guy who's already knocking on the door for fourth line duty that I personally would rate as around the team's 15-17th best prospect. Love this group!

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I am not saying Weise should be a top prospect, but he should be up for a vote at #10 along with the other five if he is to become our #14-15 prospect.

I agree that the Greg Moore thing is a concern because he came within a hair of being in the NHL, but was not there by a tiny amount.

However, Moore had only 25 points in 79 games at the same age and only had his breakthrough the following year.

I am hoping that Weise developing a year earlier will give him an additional year to develop.

By the end of Moore's AHL breakthrough season, he was 24. Weise was 22.5.

At 24, most players stop developing and merely gain experience at the level they play.

Weise has another full year until then. I am hoping he can make that final step to get to NHL-level this year.

He is really only one little step away. I hope his development did not end at the age of 22.

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Fasth gets my vote over Lindberg for his top-6 potential

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