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07-05-2011, 09:45 AM
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Not a chance we would trade any significant asset back to Tampa...
10 more years at 7.8mil cap hit? No way Burke takes back this kind of contract.
Don't forget the NMC.... so you can't even send him down.

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I think the salary cap has kinda caught up with Lecavaliers contract. It's not that bad anymore and Vinny is a much better player than Gomes/Drury/Komisarek and the other ones with brutal contracts.

I don't think Tampa will trade him unless they get something good coming the other way.

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We could fit Vinny without sending Komisarek back. If Tampa is moving Vinny, they would be doing so to lose that contract and to show Stamkos that the Lighting are his. No chance would they take Komisarek back. Moving Vinny would likely be to gain some flexibility within the roster. They aren't exactly in desperate need of cutting cap space.
Assuming they sign Stamkos to as much or more per year as Lecavalier makes (almost 8m cap hit), they won't need to acquire salary to trade him. But I believe they are just 500k over the cap floor or something at the moment. Even if Stamkos signs a huge long-term deal at slightly less per year, that's still not a hard problem to fix.

At any rate, Lecavalier had some solid moments last year, but he's still a guy whose per-game production has been declining 4 years in a row. At 7.7 million over the next 10 years, his contract is a massive liability considering his recent production. Unless Tampa just plain wants to get rid of the guy, it's probably not worth trading him because I can't see anything coming back in return.

If Lecavalier continues to be a 60-70 point guy, that Komisarek deal (or a similar dumping) probably isn't that unrealistic for a (seemingly declining) player who is owed $75 million until he's 40. For anyone who follows baseball, it would essentially be the Vernon Wells trade.

Lecavalier has a NMC though, so I'm not sure it matters.


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07-05-2011, 09:51 AM
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I think the salary cap has kinda caught up with Lecavaliers contract. It's not that bad anymore and Vinny is a much better player than Gomes/Drury/Komisarek and the other ones with brutal contracts.

I don't think Tampa will trade him unless they get something good coming the other way.
Tell me this in 2 years.

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07-05-2011, 09:53 AM
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Lecavalier isnt getting traded. Certainly not to TO.

His contract is nowhere near as bad as once thought by most of HF. It will look even better at the end of the next year because if he picks up where he left off (PPG from all star break through playoffs), he will be well worth the contract again.

Old Vinny finally came back in the second half/playoffs last year.

No one in TB wants to trade him. And TB doesnt have to trade anyone.

Go find your number 1 center somewhere else TO.

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07-05-2011, 10:05 AM
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?

Just like the 'premium' we paid for Franson?

In case you missed the last month of transactions - teams don't pay premiums for taking on cap dumps. Just ask Brian Campbell.
Vinny is a center, they aren't as available as D-men. Sabres, Flames, Wild, Islanders, all would be interested in a number 1 C, and there are none in the market, if someone like Vinny or Spezza ever became available, I think teams that want to win now will overpay because there simple isn't anyone else.

-Not sure what the Franson deal has to do with this, its a totally different case, not many teams can afford to be paying a guy to be on IR like the Leafs, so Nashville's trading options were very few.

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Brian Burke says no to that huge error of a contract

Vinny is still a very good player and he still has moments of greatness, but they're becoming fewer and far between. You have to ask yourself why would Toronto take on somewhere in the neighbourhood of 80m just to help Tampa solve a problem? Then having to pay large for it as well. Does doing that make any sense at all? If so I have some Nortel stock I'd like to sell you, forget about future value and think about what they used to be worth.

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07-05-2011, 10:09 AM
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Brian Burke says no to that huge error of a contract

Vinny is still a very good player and he still has moments of greatness, but they're becoming fewer and far between. why would toronot take on somewhere in the neighbourhood of 80m to help Tampa solve a problem and then have to pay large for it as well. Does doing that make any sense at all? If so I have some Nortel stock I'd like to sell you, forget about future value and think about what they used to be worth.
Actually they are becoming more and more often if you have watched him in the past year.

And his contract isnt a problem so no problem to solve.

Thanks for your concern.

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07-05-2011, 10:22 AM
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What would be a fair price for Vinny Lecav? Vinny has played better recently, not really 7+ million good but has been looking more like a #1 center recently. His contract is not great but it's not the worst one out there either. I think Tampa would have to take Komisarek back to make it work financially...then Toronto would have to add something to that, what I have no idea...it wouldn't be too much considering Vinnny's contract, injuries, mediocre past few seasons etc...


Vinny for Komisarek + _________ ???
I'd offer Grabovski straight up, and nothing more.

Is Grabovski on the same talent level as Lecavalier?
HECK NO!
...does Grabovski outproduce Vinnie in points/$$
HECK YES!

He's a solid 2nd line center, and frees up enough $$ to Sign Stamkos, and Purcell.

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I'd offer Grabovski straight up, and nothing more.

Is Grabovski on the same talent level as Lecavalier?
HECK NO!
...does Grabovski outproduce Vinnie in points/$$
HECK YES!

He's a solid 2nd line center, and frees up enough $$ to Sign Stamkos, and Purcell.
Good thing we dont need to free money up.

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07-05-2011, 10:29 AM
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I'd offer Grabovski straight up, and nothing more.

Is Grabovski on the same talent level as Lecavalier?
HECK NO!
...does Grabovski outproduce Vinnie in points/$$
HECK YES!

He's a solid 2nd line center, and frees up enough $$ to Sign Stamkos, and Purcell.
This is the best option and does help out both teams. Anything more from torontos side and its suicide. Id love to have Vinny on Toronto though cause I saw that bit of greatness the bolt fan is talking about, hopefully he turns it around

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Lecavalier isnt getting traded. Certainly not to TO.

His contract is nowhere near as bad as once thought by most of HF. It will look even better at the end of the next year because if he picks up where he left off (PPG from all star break through playoffs), he will be well worth the contract again.

Old Vinny finally came back in the second half/playoffs last year.

No one in TB wants to trade him. And TB doesnt have to trade anyone.

Go find your number 1 center somewhere else TO.
Lol...a little bitter? And as you sit there Steve Yzerman still hasn't signed Steve Stamkos and the fact that there are no offer sheets for a guy who scored almost 100 goals over the past 2 years doesn't mean no one is interested- it means they are talking a trade before going that route. Seriously, do you honestly think all is fine is Lightening land? Until you get him inked, be very afraid, for good reason.

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don't want Vinny's contract. Sure he's productive now at 31. But will he be at 34, 35, 36? AND at a cap hit of $7.7. Pass.

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People are severely underestimating cap space.

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Actually they are becoming more and more often if you have watched him in the past year.

And his contract isnt a problem so no problem to solve.

Thanks for your concern.
You'll be singing a different tune in 3 years

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Lol...a little bitter? And as you sit there Steve Yzerman still hasn't signed Steve Stamkos and the fact that there are no offer sheets for a guy who scored almost 100 goals over the past 2 years doesn't mean no one is interested- it means they are talking a trade before going that route. Seriously, do you honestly think all is fine is Lightening land? Until you get him inked, be very afraid, for good reason.
Well I dont know about "Lightening" land, but in Lightning land everything is fine. At the end of the day we have 2 first line centers and Toronto has none.

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Good thing we dont need to free money up.
let me teach you something. In order to make profit this must happen: revenue > expenses

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You'll be singing a different tune in 3 years
Thanks Nostradamus.

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let me teach you something. In order to make profit this must happen: revenue > expenses
Let me teach you something, revenue from his TB purchase is > than his expenses.

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Let me teach you something, revenue from his TB purchase is > than his expenses.
riiiiggght. how much were u charging for playoff tickets again? $30? $40?

That might get you a couple of beers here at the ACC

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Just like the 'premium' we paid for Franson?

In case you missed the last month of transactions - teams don't pay premiums for taking on cap dumps. Just ask Brian Campbell.
I don't see how a mediocre dman on an entry level contract given to the Leafs so they take Lombardi compares with an elite #1 center?

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Well I dont know about "Lightening" land, but in Lightning land everything is fine. At the end of the day we have 2 first line centers and Toronto has none.
Yah, and my dog is bigger than your dog....

You have 1 fist line centre under contract and are having obvious difficulty getting the other one inked. Its called denial and knowing is half the battle.

We'll see what happens and you can bet I'll be there to say "I told you so".

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Yah, and my dog is bigger than your dog....

You have 1 fist line centre under contract and are having obvious difficulty getting the other one inked. Its called denial and knowing is half the battle.

We'll see what happens and you can bet I'll be there to say "I told you so".
Ill be looking for you later today, maybe tomorrow, for sure. Dont worry.

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riiiiggght. how much were u charging for playoff tickets again? $30? $40?

That might get you a couple of beers here at the ACC
No way really? Hopefully the beer is good. Cause Ill need a lot of it to watch the product on the ice. Especially considering I got fleeced for $200+ to watch a bottom feeder every year.

How much were the playoff tickets in Toronto....oh...wait....

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