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07-05-2011, 10:49 AM
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Are you kidding me? Kadri + for the priveledge to pay vinny top dollar until he's 40? No thanks

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No way really? Hopefully the beer is good. Cause Ill need a lot of it to watch the product on the ice. Especially considering I got fleeced for $200+ to watch a bottom feeder every year.

How much were the playoff tickets in Toronto....oh...wait....
mad?

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mad?
What exactly do I have to be mad about?

Being in the playoffs? Cheap tickets? Two first line centers?

Hmmmm

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What exactly do I have to be mad about?

Being in the playoffs? Cheap tickets? Two first line centers?

Hmmmm
all i hear is arrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhh

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all i hear is arrrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhh
So your last two posts have basically been white flags. Guess its hard to make an argument when you dont have anything to stand on huh.

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don't want Vinny's contract. Sure he's productive now at 31. But will he be at 34, 35, 36? AND at a cap hit of $7.7. Pass.
Sundin was great til he was 38...his last season as a Leaf might have been his best.

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So your last two posts have basically been white flags. Guess its hard to make an argument when you dont have anything to stand on huh.
argument? your squad has no money. bottom line

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argument? your squad has no money. bottom line
Link? Source?

And please dont rehash the self admitted Forbes article that is written on guesstimates and speculation, and only talks about hockey operations and not the entire big picture of what Vinik purchased in TB as an investment.

Go ahead. Ill wait.

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So your last two posts have basically been white flags. Guess its hard to make an argument when you dont have anything to stand on huh.
Is it really wise for Tampa to pay their #2 center over 7 mil for the next 8 or 9 years?
On top of what Stamkos will make, and eventually Hedman will be up there too. I don't think Tampa gets good value out of Vinny in that role...I don't see him finishing his career in Tampa, playing second fiddle til he's 40 and getting paid that kind of money to do so makes little sense.

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Is it really wise for Tampa to pay their #2 center over 7 mil for the next 8 or 9 years?
On top of what Stamkos will make, and eventually Hedman will be up there too. I don't think Tampa gets good value out of Vinny in that role...I don't see him finishing his career in Tampa, playing second fiddle til he's 40 and getting paid that kind of money to do so makes little sense.
Why dont you start a thread asking Pittsburgh if its wise for them to pay Malkin and Crosby what they do. Along with MAF and Paul Martin and Z.

Plus Vinny means a lot more to not only the team on the ice but the franchise and community than just a "second line center".

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Toronto passes.

We'll flex our muscles somewhere else.

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Link? Source?

And please dont rehash the self admitted Forbes article that is written on guesstimates and speculation, and only talks about hockey operations and not the entire big picture of what Vinik purchased in TB as an investment.

Go ahead. Ill wait.
Stop trying to discredit Forbes because you can't

Besides. we don't want VC to be honest. Last VC we had in Toronto didn't work out well

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mad? arghhhhhh. argument? squad no money. argument

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Link? Source?

And please dont rehash the self admitted Forbes article that is written on guesstimates and speculation, and only talks about hockey operations and not the entire big picture of what Vinik purchased in TB as an investment.

Go ahead. Ill wait.
i'm pretty sure i'm arguing with an 8 year old, but anyway i'll try and break it down for you.

profit = revenue - expenses
  • Your team's payroll was $50M last year, even with a salary cap of $59M.
  • Your team didn't even bother raising ticket prices for the first round of the playoffs
  • As of today, your payroll is at $49M, without Stamkos and Purcell signed.
  • Bergenheim clearly couldn't be afforded.
  • Even if your owner allows payroll to go $55M, Stamkos needs to be willing to take a DRASTIC paycut AND you'll be kissing Purcell (and subsequently much of your depth) goodbye, unless he's willing to play for Florida oranges.

Got it, cupcake?

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Ill be looking for you later today, maybe tomorrow, for sure. Dont worry.
And I'll be man enough to admit I was wrong, as I'm sure you will be as well...

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What would be a fair price for Vinny Lecav? Vinny has played better recently, not really 7+ million good but has been looking more like a #1 center recently. His contract is not great but it's not the worst one out there either. I think Tampa would have to take Komisarek back to make it work financially...then Toronto would have to add something to that, what I have no idea...it wouldn't be too much considering Vinnny's contract, injuries, mediocre past few seasons etc...


Vinny for Komisarek + _________ ???
If I were the Leafs, my concern would be that Vinny has NOT played better recently! Numbers-wise, he's been consistently dropping in productivity. His points totals for the last 5 years are, in order from '06-'07: 108, 92, 67, 70, 54. I don't see how that's a return to form in any way. I know he was ppg in the playoffs, but I think his contract is too big for a playoff specialist. I guess if Komisarek were involved it might be able to work out on paper, but I don't think it would be a good move for the Leafs in the end.

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07-05-2011, 11:09 AM
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i'm pretty sure i'm arguing with an 8 year old, but anyway i'll try and break it down for you.

profit = revenue - expenses
  • Your team's payroll was $50M last year, even with a salary cap of $59M.
  • Your team didn't even bother raising ticket prices for the first round of the playoffs
  • As of today, your payroll is at $49M, without Stamkos and Purcell signed.
  • Bergenheim clearly couldn't be afforded.
  • Even if your owner allows payroll to go $55M, Stamkos needs to be willing to take a DRASTIC paycut AND you'll be kissing Purcell (and subsequently much of your depth) goodbye, unless he's willing to play for Florida oranges.

Got it, cupcake?
How is this not trolling?

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Here we go again!! Another top player going to TO in a trade. Can we stop with the Riculas trades to TO like players actually wanna go there.

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How is this not trolling?
how is it trolling if it's 100% facts

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No way really? Hopefully the beer is good. Cause Ill need a lot of it to watch the product on the ice. Especially considering I got fleeced for $200+ to watch a bottom feeder every year.

How much were the playoff tickets in Toronto....oh...wait....
IdealisticSniper wins bro, sorry

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i'm pretty sure i'm arguing with an 8 year old, but anyway i'll try and break it down for you.

profit = revenue - expenses
  • Your team's payroll was $50M last year, even with a salary cap of $59M.
  • Your team didn't even bother raising ticket prices for the first round of the playoffs
  • As of today, your payroll is at $49M, without Stamkos and Purcell signed.
  • Bergenheim clearly couldn't be afforded.
  • Even if your owner allows payroll to go $55M, Stamkos needs to be willing to take a DRASTIC paycut AND you'll be kissing Purcell (and subsequently much of your depth) goodbye, unless he's willing to play for Florida oranges.

Got it, cupcake?
Bergenheim priced himself off the team. We arent going to spend 3M a year on a 27 point 3/4th liner. Only a desperate GM would do that. Luckily Yzerman isnt that GM.

Dont worry, we can afford Stamkos and Purcell. Along with probably another player or two.

And you know NOTHING of Viniks financial affairs. Its quite obvious actually.

You know how much of a profit hungry owner he is? We just came within one goal of the SCF finals this past year. Know what happened to ticket prices for next year? SAME EXACT PRICE. Weird I know.

Go back to under your rock. You are clearly speaking on something you know nothing about.

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how is it trolling if it's 100% facts
Business and Profit have so much more to do with than what you posted. Think about how much revenue Stamkos produces just by himself through ticket sales and jersey revenue.

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how is it trolling if it's 100% facts

Again show me a source. Financial documents. Maybe WikiLeaks has them, you should check there.

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Again show me a source. Financial documents. Maybe WikiLeaks has them, you should check there.


you lost. i'll shake your hand though

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1) if burke wasnt interested in mike richards/carter who are both in their mid 20s with their 10 year deals i cant see him even looking at vinny at his 10 year deal at 30 years old with and extra $2 million cap hit to go along with it as well.

2) if burke did trade for vinny then it would almost certainly be komisarek + lombardi going back to tampa. the value isnt in the player, the value is in the ~$60 million which will allow them to keep stamkos and dress a competitive lineup.

3) tampa has the cap space, the question is whether the actually are going to use it. as per capgeek tampa has $15 million in cap space. the need to sign stamkos, percell, and another forward or two. if they give stamkos the same deal vinny got then they would have over $7million for percell and a few other forwards. the only issue is that it would require them to spend to the cap. im not sure if tampa is willing/able to do so.

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