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07-05-2011, 06:25 PM
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People don't give Gaborik enough credit for his defensive play. He's no Datsyuk but he does a decent job.
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Maryjane defensively? That's worth a hearty laugh! If he aint scoring goals, he should be cast as the lead in a remake of the movie, "The Invisible Man"

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I thought of a different movie:

Oh, this is the worst-looking hat I ever saw. What, when you buy a hat like this I bet you get a free bowl of soup, huh?
Oh, it looks good on you though.
Caddyshack!! Now we're talking dude

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07-05-2011, 07:23 PM
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Gaborik is not good defensively because he doesnt think about it all the time. But He is worlds better than most other snipers out there:

Heatley
Kovalchuk
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It is the nature of our fanbase. One "camp" think that our prospects are going to be superstars, while the other "camp" think they will be career AHLers. In the middle there are some who think that they are going to be in between, a good third liner or a solid second liner, and they get **** on by the other 2 "camps". It is just the nature of us Ranger fans it seems.
Very true statements that you made on the Ranger's fan base.
There is definitely no elite talent amongst the players we have drafted the last 6-7 years, but, in all fairness, the present regime is doing a lot better job at finding/scouting/drafting better talent.

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07-05-2011, 07:27 PM
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Gaborik is not good defensively because he doesnt think about it all the time. But He is worlds better than most other snipers out there:

Heatley
Kovalchuk
Semin
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better than kane and cammalleri? idk about that

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07-05-2011, 07:29 PM
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better than kane and cammalleri? idk about that
Kane doesn't even know what the defensive zone is.

Semin is definitely better defensively than Gaborik -- he is wrongfully criticized for that facet of his game, when he is one of the most purely skilled defensive players out there. Otherwise, Gaborik is better than every player on that list.

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So you must not like Zucca then? What about St.Louis and his 90 points a year? Theo Fleury sure did get destroyed while playing against as you call them, real men

I am not saying he is going to be a superstar, but he is good enough to grow in to a second line role.
It's really unfair to Zucca to even mention his name in the same thread as Fleury and St. Louis, two of the best and most talented "small" men to ever play the game. I'm not sure if Zucca will ever be good enough to make it as a productive 2nd or 3rd line player in the nhl. My guess is he'll be somewhere else after his contract runs out in 2011.

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07-05-2011, 07:37 PM
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I brought Zucca up because he is one of our prospects. All I am saying is why dont we wait until the kid starts his career before we start calling him a career AHLer
It's way too early for any of this on Thomas. He was drafted late, has plenty of time to grow and develop his game but he does already have an inate ability with his speed to find open spaces and finish. He also has good genes. Time will tell.

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It's all about how strong you are on your feet/skates. If Thomas can stay strong on his feet he won't get knocked around as much as other small guys would.
It's not fair to Christian Thomas to mention players like Claude Giroux(who has elite level skills) and Tyler Ennis (who is a whirling deverish on the ice and very difficult to contain). Thomas will become bigger and stronger and will eventually(hopefully) be able to stand on his own accomplishments once he makes the Rangers.

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Don't know why people are so concerned with Richards' or Gaborik's defensive game.

Nearly the entire Rangers' forward group is made up of competent two-way forwards. As long as Gaborik and Richards produce together, I don't really care too much about their defensive game.

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It's not fair to Christian Thomas to mention players like Claude Giroux(who has elite level skills) and Tyler Ennis (who is a whirling deverish on the ice and very difficult to contain). Thomas will become bigger and stronger and will eventually(hopefully) be able to stand on his own accomplishments once he makes the Rangers.
Quite impressive use of the word "dervish" right there.

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07-05-2011, 08:58 PM
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Would easily take Kane over Gaborik.

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07-05-2011, 08:59 PM
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Would easily take Kane over Gaborik.
Of course......but Kane is TERRIBLE defensively.

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Of course......but Kane is TERRIBLE defensively.
Blown out of proportion IMO. It happens to guys who play 'soft', they'll get criticized for being poor defensive players because of their reputation. A prime case was Ehrhoff, he was the statistically the Canucks best D-Man in TOI/GA, yet people trash him for being soft and guys like Bieksa who had worse TOI/GA get praised as the 2nd coming of Christ because they play the prototypical style of game.

Kaner is much better than Gaborik, not debatable. I also saw him back checking in the Canucks series so it's not like he floats all of his shifts.

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Blown out of proportion IMO. It happens to guys who play 'soft', they'll get criticized for being poor defensive players because of their reputation. A prime case was Ehrhoff, he was the statistically the Canucks best D-Man in TOI/GA, yet people trash him for being soft and guys like Bieksa who had worse TOI/GA get praised as the 2nd coming of Christ because they play the prototypical style of game.

Kaner is much better than Gaborik, not debatable. I also saw him back checking in the Canucks series so it's not like he floats all of his shifts.
Who's debating that? We're debating that Kane is bad defensively. And he is. I'd take him over Gabby 10 times out of 10, but that's not what we're talking about.

And the agenda against Gaborik continues. HE'S the real new whipping boy.

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Gaborik is clearly not a defensive playmaker out there...but he's certainly not a defensive liability like kovy

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Nice to see Richards in Ranger blue.

And to steal a line from Jaws "Thats a bad hat, Harry"
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Kaner is much better than Gaborik, not debatable. I also saw him back checking in the Canucks series so it's not like he floats all of his shifts.
Different types of players completely. Kane is a guy who should have the puck. Gaborik is a guy who should be waiting for the puck. Unfortunately, because we didn't have anyone with enough talent to get it to him consistently last year.

If not for Gaborik's injury troubles throughout his career, he'd probably be pushing 350 career goals already. Not only that, but he's fairly effective coming back on defense. He and Kane are each one of the best at what they do, and I'd say they're at roughly the same level.

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When Gaborik is motivated, he backchecks.

Our team as a whole is one of the better defensive teams in the league.

Goals against was not our issue. Our issue was goals for.

Now, we added one of the league's premier playmaking centers (Richards) to play with one of the league's premier goal scorers (Gaborik).

We also added one of the league's top defense prospects (Erixon).

We have one of the world's premier goaltenders (Lundqvist).

We could be adding one of NCAA's premier two way and responsible players (Hagelin).

This is a solid solid team being built.

And, we are one of the league's more physical teams.

Defense, goaltending, physicality, mental toughness, hard working, and now hopefully we can add the offense.

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better than kane and cammalleri? idk about that
Heatley definitely doesn't belong on that list.

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Very true statements that you made on the Ranger's fan base.
There is definitely no elite talent amongst the players we have drafted the last 6-7 years, but, in all fairness, the present regime is doing a lot better job at finding/scouting/drafting better talent.
I agree, the only one that I have observed that has the potential to be elite is Kreider, but that remains to be seen. Everyone else projects to be a solid 2nd liner if they reach their ceiling. On defense we have a logjam of prospects who have potential to be top4 guys at best

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Different types of players completely. Kane is a guy who should have the puck. Gaborik is a guy who should be waiting for the puck. Unfortunately, because we didn't have anyone with enough talent to get it to him consistently last year.
I agree with this post. I value puck-carriers much better than snipers who try to get open for shots. The case for Patrick Kane is that he can pretty much create his own offense and does it much better than Gaborik. Both players have their defensive brain farts, but I think it gets blown out of proportion and it's a wash for both players. Gaborik IMO doesn't really make players around him better than Kane does.

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If not for Gaborik's injury troubles throughout his career, he'd probably be pushing 350 career goals already. Not only that, but he's fairly effective coming back on defense. He and Kane are each one of the best at what they do, and I'd say they're at roughly the same level.
Yes this is unfortunate news about his injury problems. I do think Gaborik's release is top 3 in the league while Kane will beat you in so many ways, his backhand shot is also one of the better ones in the league. This is why I choose Patrick Kane over Gaborik, nothing against Gaborik but Kane is better.

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No longer do we have to stand for the mockery from other fanbases about Erik Christensen being our #1 center.

But I am going to have to temper my enthusiasm until I see the lengths of our RFA deals... dont want to lose Callahan and Dubinsky for a long, long time.

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