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07-05-2011, 08:43 PM
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I'm of the belief you need NINE defensemen to get through the season. Here's how I see our blueliners ranking:
1-Wiz
2-Tyutin
3-TBD
4-Methot
5-Clitsome
6-Russell
7-Aaron Johnson
8-Holden
9-Savard/Moore

Pairings will vary. #7 is often a healthy scratch. #8 and #9 start the season in Springy.

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07-05-2011, 08:59 PM
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I'm of the belief you need NINE defensemen to get through the season. Here's how I see our blueliners ranking:
1-Wiz
2-Tyutin
3-TBD
4-Methot
5-Clitsome
6-Russell
7-Aaron Johnson
8-Holden
9-Savard/Moore

Pairings will vary. #7 is often a healthy scratch. #8 and #9 start the season in Springy.
This is whatb I meant when I referred to AJ as a #8 in that thread. My list swaps Holden and AJ from yours.

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07-05-2011, 09:01 PM
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I need some of your thoughts on this..

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I'm of the belief you need NINE defensemen to get through the season. Here's how I see our blueliners ranking:
1-Wiz
2-Tyutin
3-TBD
4-Methot
5-Clitsome
6-Russell
7-Aaron Johnson
8-Holden
9-Savard/Moore

Pairings will vary. #7 is often a healthy scratch. #8 and #9 start the season in Springy.
First you are correct on this Leesmith in our dmen ordering, but I would venture to say that Wiz & Toots are really 3 - 6 pairings on almost every other team do you agree? That means we could use anyone from a 1st pairing to a 3rd defensemen via trade and make ourselves better.

We should have made a hard push for Vokoun, as he might have been able to solidify our d to buy some time for those young guys to get more seasoned.

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07-05-2011, 09:08 PM
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First you are correct on this Leesmith in our dmen ordering, but I would venture to say that Wiz & Toots are really 3 - 6 pairings on almost every other team do you agree? That means we could use anyone from a 1st pairing to a 3rd defensemen via trade and make ourselves better.

We should have made a hard push for Vokoun, as he might have been able to solidify our d to buy some time for those young guys to get more seasoned.
Yep. Our defense is not good yet. I too am a little nervous about the goalie experiment.

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07-05-2011, 09:13 PM
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Alright then..

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Yep. Our defense is not good yet. I too am a little nervous about the goalie experiment.
what is our next move?

I found myself quite jealous that Liles got traded for a 2nd rd pick, and even a little bit today when Corvo went to the Bruins for a 4th. Corvo, as in the leaky sieve, and I still wanted him.

Babchuk resigned with Calgary for 2.5MM a year, would have loved to have him.. hell I'd of done backflips for Kaberle and that dude is mid 30's? I just don't see a lot of good options left.

I know that Howson had made overtures for Erhoff starting almost two years ago.. so I trust his evaluation of talent, just not sure that we have gone hard enough after some of these players.

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07-05-2011, 10:12 PM
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Methot > Tyutin

I just don't get the love affair with Tyutin. For me he is just so frustrating to watch.

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07-05-2011, 10:14 PM
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None of the names being bantered around here are really solutions to our last major dilemma. That is, who to match up against the other teams top lines. There isn't anyone left in FA. We either passed on or didn't try for a couple of the poor man's versions.

Scotty has set the bar low, IMO. Wisneiwski was a great addition, but setting the bar low after that move was a strategic mistake IMO. I hope we don't regret this decision.

No offense to Methot or whoever we pick up in the 4/5 role that Howson was talking about.

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07-05-2011, 10:15 PM
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Methot > Tyutin

I just don't get the love affair with Tyutin. For me he is just so frustrating to watch.
Love affair? He's a 3/4 with more offensive upside than Methot. Methot's a little better in the defensive zone. I get frustrated watching our entire defense. Methot's no less frustrating than the rest of them.

Part of the reason Tyutin is frustrating is that we play him in a larger role than we should. Same for Methot and Clitsome, as well as the occasional brain cramp in which we think Russ might be a 3/4.

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07-05-2011, 10:29 PM
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I just think Methot has a lot more in him. Last year he looked like the only legit top 4 NHL d man we had back there.

IMO Tyutin is as good as he's going to get and i am just not at all impressed. He's just ok offensively and terrible defensively. It's scary thinking he's going to be on our top pair!

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Methot > Tyutin

I just don't get the love affair with Tyutin. For me he is just so frustrating to watch.
I'll second this. There are times when Tyutin looks fine, but then there are those times when he avoids throwing a check or misses an assignment, and we're watching Steve Mason sweep the puck out of his net.

Granted, you get mistakes with Methot as well, I just think Tyutin's mistakes are more frequent.

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We are missing a physical presence in the back end

a guy that can rub out the break away and make em pay a price for coming accross our crease. We don't have that toughness there. I guess Arniel's attack defense is a brand of hockey that I will have to adjust too. I would just rather do that knowing that there is a presence back there, rather than a swinging gate.

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07-06-2011, 06:59 AM
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I just think Methot has a lot more in him. Last year he looked like the only legit top 4 NHL d man we had back there.

IMO Tyutin is as good as he's going to get and i am just not at all impressed. He's just ok offensively and terrible defensively. It's scary thinking he's going to be on our top pair!
He's not terrible defensively. He's just not a shut down guy. We have been giving him more responsibility than we should.

Methot, is there more in him? Possible. A lot more? Highly doubtful. Don't put false expectations on him. Methot has a lot to prove before you even consider him in a true shut down role. He's probably going to get the chance this year. He'll probably get better.

Tyutin has more upside on one end of the ice, Methot on the other.

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07-06-2011, 07:00 AM
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I'll second this. There are times when Tyutin looks fine, but then there are those times when he avoids throwing a check or misses an assignment, and we're watching Steve Mason sweep the puck out of his net.

Granted, you get mistakes with Methot as well, I just think Tyutin's mistakes are more frequent.
Here we go again. We can't seem to put Tyutin in the correct context and level set our expectations on that role.

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07-06-2011, 08:45 AM
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I'm of the belief you need NINE defensemen to get through the season. Here's how I see our blueliners ranking:
1-Wiz
2-Tyutin
3-TBD
4-Methot
5-Clitsome
6-Russell
7-Aaron Johnson
8-Holden
9-Savard/Moore

Pairings will vary. #7 is often a healthy scratch. #8 and #9 start the season in Springy.
I'm with you on this Lee. I just wish I could slide every guy on this list down a slot or two. Ideally Wisniewski and Tyutin are the 2nd pair.

Think Howson could get Pronger, Seabrook or Weber/Suter?

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I'm with you on this Lee. I just wish I could slide every guy on this list down a slot or two. Ideally Wisniewski and Tyutin are the 2nd pair.

Think Howson could get Pronger, Seabrook or Weber/Suter?
Nope. LOL!

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Congrats to Methot-man and his new contract. Nice to hear he likes it in Cbus.

Looking at last season, 10 of his 15 points (assists) came in the first two months. Obviously when the team was playing well, he was getting his assists.

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07-06-2011, 09:34 AM
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HOLY SMOKES! $3 mil a year for a #4/5 Dman?

The CBA is surely a sham and shambles.

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I think his pay is a little high on the back end, but I am happy to have him locked into a deal with the Jackets. I was kind of put off from him a few years back when he told the Jackets to move him up to the NHL or trade him. But the last couple season, I have come to like what he does for the team. I just hope we can sign a good line mate for him that will let his skills really shine.

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$$$ is steep for sure, but it's a gamble. Will he continue the upward trajectory of his career justifying the money on the back end?

As for our overall 'D', it's another strategic gamble that by putting more offensive pressure on the opponent and forcing them to play in their own end, it's going to help all of our defensemen play "above their ability." Or at least the ability they've displayed so far in their careers. Not sure I'm buying it, but we'll see this fall.

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Looking at last season, 10 of his 15 points (assists) came in the first two months. Obviously when the team was playing well, he was getting his assists.
More like when we was flinging around pucks wildly toward the net.

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The Jackets bought 3 years of UFA from Methot and thus had to give him something to justify giving that up. With the structure of the deal there will be nothing wrong with the contract by the 3rd and 4th years.

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Just visiting (peacefully) - I'm puzzled by this signing. I considered Hejda to be the much better player, but they let him go and gave Methot almost the same deal that Hejda took from the Avs?

I've seen a decent number of Jackets games and I was aware that Methot was on the team, but I have never seen him do anything that left any kind of impression - good or bad (that's not necessarily a bad thing if he's a stay-at-home guy). So when I looked up his numbers I was a bit shocked at the $$ on this deal.

You guys would know better than I - is he considered a shutdown defender in these parts, or at least well on his way to becoming one? Was this a panic move after losing Hejda? Did they make a similar offer to Hejda and he decided he was leaving no matter what? It's not as big of a head-scratcher as the Pardy deal, but I'm still confused by it. Any info would be appreciated.

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Just visiting (peacefully) - I'm puzzled by this signing. I considered Hejda to be the much better player, but they let him go and gave Methot almost the same deal that Hejda took from the Avs?

I've seen a decent number of Jackets games and I was aware that Methot was on the team, but I have never seen him do anything that left any kind of impression - good or bad (that's not necessarily a bad thing if he's a stay-at-home guy). So when I looked up his numbers I was a bit shocked at the $$ on this deal.

You guys would know better than I - is he considered a shutdown defender in these parts, or at least well on his way to becoming one? Was this a panic move after losing Hejda? Did they make a similar offer to Hejda and he decided he was leaving no matter what? It's not as big of a head-scratcher as the Pardy deal, but I'm still confused by it. Any info would be appreciated.
I think the hope is that Methot is a younger, more mobile version of Jan Hejda. One comparison I've always liked for him is Mark Eaton - he's not going to wow you in any way, but he has the ability to be a steadying force, a solid second/third pairing guy that you should be able to put on the ice without getting burned frequently. Methot has shown flashes of being that kind of player, but really has yet to do it on a consistent basis.

Personally, I consider myself a big fan of Methot's - he's one of the rare examples this team has of developing their own talent from within. I think the deal Hejda got would have hurt us worse, as Hejda is 33 and already seemed to be regressing ... on the flipside, Methot is only 26, and showed early on last season that he was capable of being a solid player in this league. It's a riskier deal, but IMO the reward with Methot could be much higher than with Hejda.

I would have liked to see us keep Jan Hejda for one or two more years, but I think the dollar amount was higher on a shorter term deal with him, and there's no way we wanted to lock him into a 4 or 5 year deal.

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Just visiting (peacefully) - I'm puzzled by this signing. I considered Hejda to be the much better player, but they let him go and gave Methot almost the same deal that Hejda took from the Avs?

I've seen a decent number of Jackets games and I was aware that Methot was on the team, but I have never seen him do anything that left any kind of impression - good or bad (that's not necessarily a bad thing if he's a stay-at-home guy). So when I looked up his numbers I was a bit shocked at the $$ on this deal.

You guys would know better than I - is he considered a shutdown defender in these parts, or at least well on his way to becoming one? Was this a panic move after losing Hejda? Did they make a similar offer to Hejda and he decided he was leaving no matter what? It's not as big of a head-scratcher as the Pardy deal, but I'm still confused by it. Any info would be appreciated.
I know I'll read my replay to you back to myself and have to swallow some harsh language but Methot outperformed Hejda by a long shot last year in my opinion. For the first half of the year he was the best defenseman on the Jackets (that's the harsh language by the way ) He tailed off pretty dramatically towards the end of the year but he was noticably better last year.

He may have played too many minutes too early but he should be capable of 20 min per night or more. He's an above average skater and has some size. Hejda had lost a step and was even more lost when he had to step over the red line (again, my opinion). At Hejda's age it didn't make sense to sign him for $3M per and certainly not for 4 years. He was on the decline (permanent or bad year? We'll learn more this year) and Methot was on the upswing and is only 26.

Methot is going to have to be a shutdown guy although I wouldn't mind seeing what he does with Wiz. I think Methot is a better skater than Tyutin and is better in the defensive zone which may be helpful with Wiz. So to answer your question yes, he's a shutdown guy but I believe he has more in the bag but needs to step up the hockey sense a little.

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Thanks for the info - so it's partially an age thing and partially a matter of perception, with folks watching all the Jackets' games recognizing he may be better than Hejda anyway. I hadn't realized Hejda was that old, as he hasn't been around all that long.

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