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07-06-2011, 10:31 AM
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If we get Stamkos, we need to leave enough room to lock up Coburn/JVR/Simmonds/Voracek next year. The cap is not going up again.
Cap is most likely going up again since revenues continue to rise and the new NBC television contract kicks in.

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07-06-2011, 10:37 AM
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i doubt we'll see as big of a jump as we did this year though. bettman would basically be pulling the plug on smaller market teams if that's the case.

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07-06-2011, 10:39 AM
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i doubt we'll see as big of a jump as we did this year though. bettman would basically be pulling the plug on smaller market teams if that's the case.
Well they don't need to raise the floor that much, if at all.

Anyone have the cap floor numbers since the inception of the cap? As compared to the ceiling?

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If the report is true that Stammer turned down that contract... we should really really go hard after him now. Go Schenn, Bob, Mez, two 1st's, and another pick or something. I would just be afraid of Boston trying to acquire him, because they have space.

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i doubt we'll see as big of a jump as we did this year though. bettman would basically be pulling the plug on smaller market teams if that's the case.
Agreed.

With several of the smaller market teams struggling to hit the cap floor, one of two things are going to have to happen...

1.) The larger more successful markets are going to have to give a larger percentage back.

2.) The cap will have become stagnant.

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07-06-2011, 10:43 AM
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If the report is true that Stammer turned down that contract... we should really really go hard after him now. Go Schenn, Bob, Mez, two 1st's, and another pick or something. I would just be afraid of Boston trying to acquire him, because they have space.
Just give up 4 1sts and offer sheet him

Thats package you offered is wayy too much value

Schenn- top 10 pick
Bob- young goalie w/ good potential
Mez- good d-man
2 1sts

I would rather give up 2 extra 1sts and keep teh 1st 3 assets.

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07-06-2011, 10:45 AM
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Just give up 4 1sts and offer sheet him

Thats package you offered is wayy too much value

Schenn- top 10 pick
Bob- young goalie w/ good potential
Mez- good d-man
2 1sts

I would rather give up 2 extra 1sts and keep teh 1st 3 assets.

The problem is you can't fit him in at this point.

You could probably offer sheet him and then move Hartnell or Carle for pretty much nothing but cap space after we have signed him.

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07-06-2011, 10:46 AM
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Just give up 4 1sts and offer sheet him

Thats package you offered is wayy too much value

Schenn- top 10 pick
Bob- young goalie w/ good potential
Mez- good d-man
2 1sts

I would rather give up 2 extra 1sts and keep teh 1st 3 assets.
This.

There is no reason to give up both Schenn and Meszaros.

Hell, there should be no reason to give up more than the value of four 1st round picks.


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The problem is you can't fit him in at this point.

You could probably offer sheet him and then move Hartnell or Carle for pretty much nothing but cap space after we have signed him.
We can trade/waive Carle and/or put Schenn in the minors.

We have options and flexibility.

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Well they don't need to raise the floor that much, if at all.

Anyone have the cap floor numbers since the inception of the cap? As compared to the ceiling?
I'm pretty sure the first year of the cap, the cap ceiling was 39 million, and the cap floor was around 21 million. Somewhere along the line the changed the formula for calculating the floor. It used to be 55% of the cap ceiling. Now its 16 million less than the cap ceiling.

I don't think too many people predicted it would rise as much as it did. But people seem to think this is a huge problem for the League. The cap is rising because the league is bringing in a lot more money than before.

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Just give up 4 1sts and offer sheet him

Thats package you offered is wayy too much value

Schenn- top 10 pick
Bob- young goalie w/ good potential
Mez- good d-man
2 1sts

I would rather give up 2 extra 1sts and keep teh 1st 3 assets.
Giving them four 1st round picks doesn't help us clear cap space. If Homer can get Stamkos for Schenn, Bobrovksy, Carle/Hartnell, and a 1st...we'd be crazy not to do it.

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Just give up 4 1sts and offer sheet him

Thats package you offered is wayy too much value

Schenn- top 10 pick
Bob- young goalie w/ good potential
Mez- good d-man
2 1sts

I would rather give up 2 extra 1sts and keep teh 1st 3 assets.
we would have to clear cap space anyway. i'd offer schenn, bob, carle, marshall, 2013 1st, 2012 2nd

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We can trade/waive Carle and/or put Schenn in the minors.

We have options and flexibility.
i still don't think there would be enough room for simmonds if schenn and carle are the only salaries off the books.

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07-06-2011, 10:58 AM
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07-06-2011, 10:59 AM
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we would have to clear cap space anyway. i'd offer schenn, bob, carle, marshall, 2013 1st, 2012 2nd
That value should be more than fair. Then we can trade Hartnell and Timonen to Nashville again for Suter and a pick/forward, sign a dman and Simmonds, and see what's left over to see if we can sign someone else. I can dream, right?

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i still don't think there would be enough room for simmonds if schenn and carle are the only salaries off the books.
Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Jagr (3.30)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Nodl (0.85)
Simmonds (2.00) - Stamkos (8.00) - Voracek (2.25)
Sestito (0.55) - Betts (0.60) - Holmstrom (0.75)
Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
SCRUB (0.75)

TOTAL: 62.05

In your face!

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Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Jagr (3.30)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Nodl (0.85)
Simmonds (2.00) - Stamkos (8.00) - Voracek (2.25)
Sestito (0.55) - Betts (0.60) - Holmstrom (0.75)
Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
SCRUB (0.75)

TOTAL: 62.05

In your face!
I don't think a 50 goal scorer making 8 mil is going to play on the 3rd line but yeah we can sign Turco/Emery/Conklin or take Garon off waivers if Tampa does that as part of the deal for Stamkos

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07-06-2011, 11:06 AM
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Let's try this again...

Stamkos >> Carter
???????? << Richards
Voracek > Versteeg (Voracek is 21 and has more points last 2 years than Versteeg, despite playing w/ less capable line-mates)
Jagr > Leino (you forgot about Jagr in your post.)
Simmonds > ???? (nobody to compare to)
Talbot > Powe (We shipped Powe out for a reason... Powe signed for less for a reason... Talbot has more points and is a better PK option. I hope you don't seriously think we got rid of Powe just for a 3rd round pick... we did so to improve the team by signing Talbot)
Gustafsson < Meszaros
Lilja < O'Donnell (O'Donnell @ his best is better, but he wears down more than Lilja, it's close but I guess give it to O'Donnell) Bartulis might be better than them both...
Bryz >> Bob
??? = Boucher (Any capable backup is pretty much the same as Boosh)
Couturier >> ????


you just disproved your point. flyers dont have stamkos (probably wont) and dont have a player to replace richards haha. how do you declare this a decisive win. If you filtered all of the players up 2 spots your losses would be much greater then your gains.

I do beleive flyers have a great core of kids and will be elite in the comming years, but your point is flawed and illogical.

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TOTAL: 62.05

In your face!
i stand corrected, although it was a lot closer in my head counting stamkos at closer to 8.5-9 and keeping shelley on the roster since the organization is fully torqued for him.

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Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Jagr (3.30)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Nodl (0.85)
Simmonds (2.00) - Stamkos (8.00) - Voracek (2.25)
Sestito (0.55) - Betts (0.60) - Holmstrom (0.75)
Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
SCRUB (0.75)

TOTAL: 62.05

In your face!
Talbot? Still under, but closer.

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07-06-2011, 11:11 AM
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Just give up 4 1sts and offer sheet him

Thats package you offered is wayy too much value

Schenn- top 10 pick
Bob- young goalie w/ good potential
Mez- good d-man
2 1sts

I would rather give up 2 extra 1sts and keep teh 1st 3 assets.
Then you give TB the oppurtunity to match the offer.

The Flyers and other organizations have played this perfectly. Float rumors of $115 M to Stamkos party then sit back and wait for contract negotiations with TB to fail. Force TB's hand. Force a trade because the Flyers/Others need to shed payroll to fit Stamkos anyway.

If you offer-sheet Stamkos you challenge and agitate the Tampa organization into perhaps matching the offer.

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07-06-2011, 11:18 AM
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Talbot? Still under, but closer.
Talbot's contract doesn't currently exist.

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Talbot's contract doesn't currently exist.
Yea it does holmgren said they have resubmitted it to the NHL and theres no problem with it

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Longshot thought of the day:

Any chance that the reason we haven't signed Simmonds or any other free agent is because we DO have an offer sheet in for Stamkos and our $$$ is frozen because TB is waiting to match?

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Yea it does holmgren said they have resubmitted it to the NHL and theres no problem with it
Oh crap. Missed that one.

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Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Jagr (3.30)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Nodl (0.85)
Simmonds (2.00) - Stamkos (8.00) - Voracek (2.25)
Sestito (0.55) - Betts (0.60) - Holmstrom (0.75)
Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Gustafsson (0.90)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
SCRUB (0.75)

TOTAL: 62.05

In your face!
You also just took Bob off the team, not just Carle and Schenn

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