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07-06-2011, 09:22 PM
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Do you guys really think we had a successful Free Agency? Cheers to mediocrity then.
Just out of curiosity, which teams had a better FA signing(s) than we did?

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Just out of curiosity, which teams had a better FA signing(s) than we did?
I'm wondering this too.

Are Cole, Leino, Laich etc. for 4-6 years @ $4.5M better?

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07-06-2011, 10:25 PM
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Healthy Gagne > mediocrity.

Thinking otherwise = mediocre thought process

Too bad we couldn't get Derek Meech. Winnipeg definitely won free agency.

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Healthy Gagne > mediocrity.

Thinking otherwise = mediocre thought process

Too bad we couldn't get Derek Meech. Winnipeg definitely won free agency.
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They signed Ran_y Jones. They lost, son.

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Kinda Ironic, when you look around the league many many times doing something in FA leads to having a mediocre team.

Outside of Hossa, I can't think of any big move that paid immediate dividends.

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Not winners, but def not losers...if you include Richie...winners.

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They signed Ran_y Jones. They lost, son.

Twas but sarcasm... Dad? Don't call me son

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Twas but sarcasm... Dad? Don't call me son


Was going to say....

and lol. I'll call you whetver I want dawg.

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Perhaps I'm in the minority, but while i like having a young team, I insist we carry at least one forward and one defensemen, preferably 2 defensemen and 3 forwards, who are in their 30s.
Absolutely... always better to roll rookies onto a team with experience.

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Do you guys really think we had a successful Free Agency? Cheers to mediocrity then.
Hi Rory...

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I think that with what was available that had an acceptable UFA season. Not good, not bad but time will tell.

If you want to talk about our offseason as an entirety then we have had an exceptional offseason.

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07-07-2011, 08:37 PM
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I think that with what was available that had an acceptable UFA season. Not good, not bad but time will tell.

If you want to talk about our offseason as an entirety then we have had an exceptional offseason.
what kind of crazy speak is this.... WE WON FREE AGENCY.

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Success, at least to me, means coming out on top. We came out of FA on top. If you want to call that mediocre, fine. But bobafettish you intimated it wasn't successful. If your concept of success is only perfection, then you have no middle ground. That would assume there is mediocre, failure, or perfection. I think we ranked somewhere between mediocre and perfection, ie: successful.

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Success, at least to me, means coming out on top. We came out of FA on top. If you want to call that mediocre, fine. But bobafettish you intimated it wasn't successful. If your concept of success is only perfection, then you have no middle ground. That would assume there is mediocre, failure, or perfection. I think we ranked somewhere between mediocre and perfection, ie: successful.
I don't care what it's called, the Kings got rid of 2 roster players in Smyth and Simmonds an swapped them out for Gagne and Richards. I'll take that trade any day of the week. Then factor in old lead foot Handzus and Ponikasucky are gone and the Kings are a better team. That's all I can ask for as a fan.


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07-07-2011, 09:43 PM
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Success, at least to me, means coming out on top. We came out of FA on top. If you want to call that mediocre, fine. But bobafettish you intimated it wasn't successful. If your concept of success is only perfection, then you have no middle ground. That would assume there is mediocre, failure, or perfection. I think we ranked somewhere between mediocre and perfection, ie: successful.
i said we had a mediocre offseason and i stand by that. my point was everybody was bashing the article like we had a spectacular FA, which wasn't the case.
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I don't care what it's called, the Kings got rid of 2 roster players in Smyth and Simmonds an swapped them out for Gagne and Richards. I'll take that trade any day of the week. Then factor in old lead foot Handzus and Ponikasucky are gone and the teams are a better team. That's all I can ask for as a fan.
were talking about FA not off-season moves. i believe we had a good not great offseason. As regards to our FA, it can range from awful to fantastic all depending on what gagne does. For now ill call our FA average.

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i liked Ponikasucky. I thought he adapted to the kings system and played his role really well. I didnt like his cap hit but that had something to do with replacing Frolov

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I suppose this will all depend on which Sgags we get next season. If we get the elite level sniper who can score clutch goals in his sleep then we flat out won the offseason. If we get the 17g for the past two seasons Gags then I see it as more of a wash.

If Gags stays healthy his speed will cause more trouble then Smyth's slow did and between the two Gags is a better two way player so his 17g would be akin to Smyth's 23g last season. Richards is such a huge upgrade at second/first line C that I think that we will end up seeing Gags if healthy meet or exceed Smyths production at half the price.

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i said we had a mediocre offseason and i stand by that. my point was everybody was bashing the article like we had a spectacular FA, which wasn't the case.

were talking about FA not off-season moves. i believe we had a good not great offseason. As regards to our FA, it can range from awful to fantastic all depending on what gagne does. For now ill call our FA average.
We all know as King fans Plan A guys won't come here until we win the Cup. The good news is Plan A players have now stepped up from ignoring the Kings to using the Kings as leverage. I'm fine with Gagne. Yes, he has an injury history but so do most NHL players. He has upside still, last season was last season-I'm out of cliches. Maybe the 1-3-1 system didn't suit him and he'll fit into TM's system like a glove? To say the Kings were losers because Brad Richards signed in New York is a bit much. IMO, these long term contracts need to be banned-5 years max.

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We all know as King fans Plan A guys won't come here until we win the Cup. The good news is Plan A players have now stepped up from ignoring the Kings to using the Kings as leverage. I'm fine with Gagne. Yes, he has an injury history but so do most NHL players. He has upside still, last season was last season-I'm out of cliches. Maybe the 1-3-1 system didn't suit him and he'll fit into TM's system like a glove? To say the Kings were losers because Brad Richards signed in New York is a bit much. IMO, these long term contracts need to be banned-5 years max.
Crosby has a BAD injury history. I am pretty sure every NHL team would take him!

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We all know as King fans Plan A guys won't come here until we win the Cup. The good news is Plan A players have now stepped up from ignoring the Kings to using the Kings as leverage. I'm fine with Gagne. Yes, he has an injury history but so do most NHL players. He has upside still, last season was last season-I'm out of cliches. Maybe the 1-3-1 system didn't suit him and he'll fit into TM's system like a glove? To say the Kings were losers because Brad Richards signed in New York is a bit much. IMO, these long term contracts need to be banned-5 years max.
Why do this? There have been plenty of these contracts that have hilariously blown up in the teams face and ones that were thought to be great contracts are now an albatross hanging over the team. Drury, Redden, Campbell, DiPietro, are all bad, even Luongo, Gaborik, and Kovalchuk are now showing signs they may not have been the best of decisions... Bad contracts happen in every sport and they pretty much need to happen to make things interesting. The GMs need to learn to avoid them as that's what seperates the good ones from the bad ones.

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I think if a player is beyond a certain age, a limit to contract length would be a good thing. But why limit guys in their mid-20's to 5 years when they could realistically play the length of the deal?

Just IMO, I don't think the DiPietro deal fits in with the other cap circumventing deals. He has/will make $4.5M all 15 years, it's not like he had 5 years making $8M-10M and 5 making $1M or less.

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I think if a player is beyond a certain age, a limit to contract length would be a good thing. But why limit guys in their mid-20's to 5 years when they could realistically play the length of the deal?

Just IMO, I don't think the DiPietro deal fits in with the other cap circumventing deals. He has/will make $4.5M all 15 years, it's not like he had 5 years making $8M-10M and 5 making $1M or less.
But it's still an example of a long term contract coming back to haunt a team and you'd be outlawing both types by putting a rule in place so it is relevent. I'd rather see something like a clause added restricting the money dropoff at the end of contracts to reduce cap hit. That way it specifically targets the type of contracts that are the real problem... For instance restrict it so that no single year of a contract can be less than 60% of the highest year of the contract in question.

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i said we had a mediocre offseason and i stand by that. my point was everybody was bashing the article like we had a spectacular FA, which wasn't the case.

were talking about FA not off-season moves. i believe we had a good not great offseason. As regards to our FA, it can range from awful to fantastic all depending on what gagne does. For now ill call our FA average.
Well, since this all spawned from the article, we have to consider off season trades as well. That's art of why the article sucked, because with other teams he factored in trades (Varlamov), but with us, completely ignored Richards and Smyth. Our FA specifically was good, our offseason as a whole has been fantastic.

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