Don't understand all of the votes for Carle???? Fringe prospect with no upside.......
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Originally Posted by Habs23
WOW, all these posters voting for Carle over Ellis & even Nygren are badly miss-informed.
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Originally Posted by overlords
Very surprised people are voting for carle.
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Originally Posted by Shutdown
Definitely Ellis, or even Nattinen before Carle. Both have more potential to be NHLers than Carle at this point.
I love how these anti-Carle messages are being told as if they were facts. Carle is still in fact among the top 10 Habs prospects in many publications, including Hockey Future. Of course, it's normal if he loses 1 or 2 spots after the last draft, but he's still the most NHL ready defensive prospect for the Habs at this point, probably even ahead of Nash.
The fact that he did well when he was recalled in the NHL should add to his value also. Of course we're not talking about a future all star here, but this guy could hold a spot in the NHL at this point, which counts a lot against the limited potential offered by the rest of the list.
I love how these anti-Carle messages are being told as if they were facts. Carle is still in fact among the top 10 Habs prospects in many publications, including Hockey Future. Of course, it's normal if he loses 1 or 2 spots after the last draft, but he's still the most NHL ready defensive prospect for the Habs at this point, probably even ahead of Nash.
The fact that he did well when he was recalled in the NHL should add to his value also. Of course we're not talking about a future all star here, but this guy could hold a spot in the NHL at this point, which counts a lot against the limited potential offered by the rest of the list.
He's behind Weber, Emelin, Diaz and Nash and that's just my opinion. Just like everyone else you quoted, it's their opinion.
He's behind Weber, Emelin, Diaz and Nash and that's just my opinion. Just like everyone else you quoted, it's their opinion.
I should have said : he's the most NHL ready behind Weber. And probably behind Emelin and Diaz too, but we still need to know how their game will translate in North America.
I should have said : he's the most NHL ready behind Weber. And probably behind Emelin and Diaz too, but we still need to know how their game will translate in North America.
Conboy, to me, is the most assured of an NHL future out of the remaining players. He has been progressing, and could be a fourth liner called up as soon as this year in case of injuries (more likely next season though). He has a good package of size, grit, and some hands, so lots of upside there to rival the others as well.
You do realize that Gorges averaged just under a point per game in his last 2 seasons in Kelowna......
Ellis' upside is basically a poor man's Gorges, which is fine with me if he can become a reliable #5/6 in a few years.
I think he has #3-4 upside, he is bigger and more mobile than Gorges. The offensive skills are about on par, Ellis' numbers last yaer weren't great because he played on a crappy team that couldn't score. Look at the top scorers' totals on Gorges' team at 18 and 19. Cape Breton's top scorer was Shaw at 46 points! Ellis was tied for 3rd on the team at 36. If he played on Saint John, he would probably have 45-50 points.
Alright guys, I have to leave the house from 10:30 to 2:30 for house visits. And this one is tight so my options are end it at 10:00, or whenever I get back. I think for stabilities sake, I'll end it at 10:00.
Alright guys, I have to leave the house from 10:30 to 2:30 for house visits. And this one is tight so my options are end it at 10:00, or whenever I get back. I think for stabilities sake, I'll end it at 10:00.
Too tight. Make a tie-breaker pool of only Carle and Ellis.
I think he has #3-4 upside, he is bigger and more mobile than Gorges. The offensive skills are about on par, Ellis' numbers last yaer weren't great because he played on a crappy team that couldn't score. Look at the top scorers' totals on Gorges' team at 18 and 19. Cape Breton's top scorer was Shaw at 46 points! Ellis was tied for 3rd on the team at 36. If he played on Saint John, he would probably have 45-50 points.
Having seen Ellis play a few times, I like his tools: size, mobility, physical game, puck movement. The one thing I think may hold him back a little is his hockey sense. One of Gorges' biggest strengths is how he thinks the game. I think Ellis think the game well for a Junior player but I could see his hockey sense translating to Komisarek-type hockey sense at the NHL level - a guy who is intense and physical but doesn't think the game well relative to NHL peers.
Why do people keep forgetting that Berger was the best player of the last summer camp. The man is 6'4 winger who's suppose to play a power game. Usually players like him never shine during perfection camps.
