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07-07-2011, 05:18 PM
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WOW thats a discount i thought he'd get at least 2.5. Good Luck with him, he'll be a crowd favorite, and will be interesting to see when the Kings come to Philly in the middle of October
He's coming off a 30 point season... This is about what was expected if not more.

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He's coming off a 30 point season... This is about what was expected if not more.
I had him at 1.5 but that was before all these crazy contracts were given out this summer. There were some serious overpayments going on, granted those were mostly given to ufa's and not rfa's, but still. Even teams who re-signed their ufa's went a little crazy, Andy Greene and Jonathan Ericsson are not 3M dollar defenders.

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Love this deal! Good cap..still RFA after! Can see him being fam Fav for sure!!!

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I had him at 1.5 but that was before all these crazy contracts were given out this summer. There were some serious overpayments going on, granted those were mostly given to ufa's and not rfa's, but still. Even teams who re-signed their ufa's went a little crazy, Andy Greene and Jonathan Ericsson are not 3M dollar defenders.
It does however quickly make Carle look like a 3.00m defender.

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He has a lower cap hit than Talbot. Heh
I would like for the two of them to swap contracts.

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better than the voracek contract

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Paul Holmgren with cap space =


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Paul Holmgren with cap space =

Not just cap space...

5.69m in cap space.

Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Voracek (2.25)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Jagr (3.30)
Simmonds (1.75) - Schenn (3.11) - Nodl (0.85)
Betts (0.70) - Talbot (1.80) - Shelley (1.10)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)

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Not just cap space...

5.69m in cap space.

Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Voracek (2.25)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Jagr (3.30)
Simmonds (1.75) - Schenn (3.11) - Nodl (0.85)
Betts (0.70) - Talbot (1.80) - Shelley (1.10)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)
You and I both know we'll carry 28 guys if necessary to burn through that extra.

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You and I both know we'll carry 28 guys if necessary to burn through that extra.
Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Voracek (2.25)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Jagr (3.30)
Simmonds (1.75) - Schenn (3.11) - Nodl (0.85)
Betts (0.70) - Talbot (1.80) - Shelley (1.10)
Rinaldo (0.54)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60) - Walker (1.70)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)

Okay, so you add Walker, maybe Rinaldo; guys who you can't screw up by making them sit for a while. That takes care of another 2.00m.

Now you're going to really hang onto guys like Wellwood, Sestito, Holmstrom, Read, Gustafsson, Marshall, and possibly Couturier just because you can?

No, you want those guys in the AHL and Couturier in the QMJHL if they're not rolling in every single night.

I understand what you're saying, but we run out of guys who we can afford to sit for long periods at a time if we're planning on a 28-man roster.

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.300m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Ian Laperriere ($1.166m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,352,262; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $947,738

Something like this as the opening roster? Lappy will be on IR of course.

If we don't have any intention to save any cap space, send Lappy to LTIR and replace Wellwood with someone making up to 2.5M

Btw, I think the max roster is 23 healthy players.

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07-07-2011, 06:04 PM
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Not just cap space...

5.69m in cap space.

Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Voracek (2.25)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Jagr (3.30)
Simmonds (1.75) - Schenn (3.11) - Nodl (0.85)
Betts (0.70) - Talbot (1.80) - Shelley (1.10)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)
Thanks Chris, have wanted to see this. Still don't think we are done, but I'm excited and I mostly like this team

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Thanks Chris, have wanted to see this. Still don't think we are done, but I'm excited and I mostly like this team
EDIT: I screwed it up. We have roughly 3.00m.

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Not just cap space...

5.69m in cap space.

Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Voracek (2.25)
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Jagr (3.30)
Simmonds (1.75) - Schenn (3.11) - Nodl (0.85)
Betts (0.70) - Talbot (1.80) - Shelley (1.10)

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44)
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20)
Meszaros (4.00) - Lilja (0.74)
Bartulis (0.60)

Bryzgalov (5.67)
Bobrovsky (1.75)
I don't get the same sum, Chris.
$30.96 mil for forwards
$23.23 mil for defense
$7.42 mil for goal
= $61.61 million

Plus, we have to add Laperriere's salary ($1.17 mil) for cap space considerations, meaning there's $1.52 mil in clear cap room.


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I don't get the same sum, Chris.
$30.96 mil for forwards
$23.23 mil for defense
$7.42 mil for goal
= $61.61 million

Plus, we have to add Laperriere's salary ($1.17 mil) for cap space considerations, meaning there's $1.52 mil in clear cap room.
Yeah, I don't know where I screwed up.

EDIT: I think I accidentally skipped over Jagr's contract.

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Yeah, I don't know where I screwed up.

EDIT: I think I accidentally skipped over Jagr's contract.
Ah, the dreaded Pittsburgh blindspot! Nonetheless, I really like that, even with carrying 23 men on the roster (including Laperriere), Paul Holmgren has room for call-ups and trading for (a bit of) salary during the season. He and Laviolette can be creative with the roster to keep Pronger and Timonen's minutes down through the first portion of the season.

What about starting the season with Walker on the roster, and playing him as much as possible for the first few months without ruining the team: bump up his minutes during blowouts (either way), give him PK duty, etc. This, of course, would mean relying more on Bryzgalov to steal some games, but I'm thinking of long-term benefit to allow Pronger and Timonen to get/stay healthy and rested for the playoffs. When he really starts becoming a liability, send him to Adirondack.

They can do the same with Lilja, and/or AHL callups who aren't waiver risks.

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I don't think Schenn's cap hit is 3mill, closer to 1mill. Can someone look it up?

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Ah, the dreaded Pittsburgh blindspot! Nonetheless, I really like that, even with carrying 23 men on the roster (including Laperriere), Paul Holmgren has room for call-ups and trading for (a bit of) salary during the season. He and Laviolette can be creative with the roster to keep Pronger and Timonen's minutes down through the first portion of the season.

What about starting the season with Walker on the roster, and playing him as much as possible for the first few months without ruining the team: bump up his minutes during blowouts (either way), give him PK duty, etc. This, of course, would mean relying more on Bryzgalov to steal some games, but I'm thinking of long-term benefit to allow Pronger and Timonen to get/stay healthy and rested for the playoffs. When he really starts becoming a liability, send him to Adirondack.

They can do the same with Lilja, and/or AHL callups who aren't waiver risks.
I want to see if Bartulis or Gustafsson can claim that 6th spot. If they don't completely fall off the chart in camp give one of them the chance to establish himself.

Lilja is a 35+ contract, he'll count against the cap even if he is in the AHL (unless somehow some other team would pick him up on waivers...)

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I don't think Schenn's cap hit is 3mill, closer to 1mill. Can someone look it up?
There is no bonus cushion this year, so his cap hit will be roughly 3M

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You and I both know we'll carry 28 guys if necessary to burn through that extra.
How on earth does Schenn make that much money? How many NHL games has he played?

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How on earth does Schenn make that much money? How many NHL games has he played?
It's an ELC with close to the max in bonuses. A lot of top picks have similar contracts. Even Tyler Bozak had a contract that was worth 3.75 million a season when you included potential bonuses (as Burke gave him the max in potential bonuses he could to lure him to TO, doubt he hit many of them though with his play).

Schenn's actual salary is only 900K, with 2.115 million in potential bonuses this season. However because it is the last year of the CBA, bonuses count against the cap as it is impossible to count any acheived bonus against next years cap (as there is currently no CBA next year).

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Right about where I thought he'd sign for. Its looking more and more like this is our roster for the season and if we put lappy on the LTIR we will have about 3M in capspace for deadline deals and tweaks.

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