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07-07-2011, 11:54 PM
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Am I alone thinking this team won't miss Ville Leino at all?
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07-08-2011, 12:36 AM
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I'd want...

vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Jagr
Hartnell - Schenn - Briere
Simmonds - Couturier - Voracek
Betts - Talbot - Nodl

Or...

vanRiemsdyk - Giroux - Jagr
Hartnell - Briere - Voracek
Simmonds - Schenn - Couturier
Betts - Talbot - Nodl

Either is fine.
I dont think Couturier is on the team. Not sure if we could swing it capwise. His cap hit would be identical to Schenn's I believe. Also we would have to trade someone to sign him. I think we are maxed out on contracts. Mcginn and that scrub goalie we signed today. Also there is Kalinski who was Q'D but is unsigned.

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How much cap space do we actually have now?

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07-08-2011, 12:53 AM
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How much cap space do we actually have now?
Hartnell (4.20) - Briere (6.50) - Voracek (2.25) -- 12.95
vanRiemsdyk (1.65) - Giroux (3.75) - Jagr (3.30) -- 8.70
Simmonds (1.75) - Schenn (3.11) - Read (0.90) -- 5.76
Betts (0.70) - Talbot (1.80) - Nodl (0.85) -- 3.35
Shelley (1.10) -- 1.10

Pronger (4.92) - Carle (3.44) -- 8.36
Timonen (6.33) - Coburn (3.20) -- 9.53
Meszaros (4.00) - Gustafsson (0.90) -- 4.90
Bartulis (0.60) - Lilja (0.74) -- 1.34

Bryzgalov (5.67) - Bobrovsky (1.75) -- 7.42

TOTAL: 63.41
SALARY CAP: 64.30
SPACE: 00.89

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07-08-2011, 12:58 AM
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I dont think Couturier is on the team. Not sure if we could swing it capwise. His cap hit would be identical to Schenn's I believe. Also we would have to trade someone to sign him. I think we are maxed out on contracts. Mcginn and that scrub goalie we signed today. Also there is Kalinski who was Q'D but is unsigned.
I don't believe so.

Cap hits for 2010 Draft Class

4th: Ryan Johansen -- $1.95M
5th: Nino Niederreiter -- $2.8M
6th: Brett Connolly -- $1.63M
7th: Jeff Skinner -- $1.4M
8th: Aleksandr Burmistrov -- $1.5M

I have no idea why these amounts vary so wildly.

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How long do you think until this is finally over with? I would like to know sooner rather than later.

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07-08-2011, 01:09 AM
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I don't believe so.

Cap hits for 2010 Draft Class

4th: Ryan Johansen -- $1.95M
5th: Nino Niederreiter -- $2.8M
6th: Brett Connolly -- $1.63M
7th: Jeff Skinner -- $1.4M
8th: Aleksandr Burmistrov -- $1.5M

I have no idea why these amounts vary so wildly.
We can fairly easily make room for Couturier up to 2.50m.

Let's say he replaces Matt Read in the lineup. Take off 0.90. Then take off another 0.90 by playing Gus in the minors and going with one of Lilja or Bartulis as the 6th. Now cut Shelley and replace him with Rinaldo for 0.56 in savings. You already had 0.89 in hand. That puts your space up to 3.25.

Sign Couturier for 2.50m and you still have 0.75m to play with and a full roster.


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07-08-2011, 01:42 AM
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We can fairly easily make room for Couturier up to 2.50m.

Let's say he replaces Matt Read in the lineup. Take off 0.90. Then take off another 0.90 by playing Gus in the minors and going with one of Lilja or Bartulis as the 6th. Now cut Shelley and replace him with Rinaldo for 0.56 in savings. You already had 0.89 in hand. That puts your space up to 3.25.

Sign Couturier for 2.50m and you still have 0.75m to play with and a full roster.

Why should Couturier's cap hit even be that high? The average from 4-8th overall last year was $1.86M.

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07-08-2011, 02:31 AM
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Why should Couturier's cap hit even be that high? The average from 4-8th overall last year was $1.86M.
he said up to...

sometimes bonuses get high if the player does well (in which case we'd happily pay)

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Why should Couturier's cap hit even be that high? The average from 4-8th overall last year was $1.86M.
If i am understanding correctly, This is the last year of the CBA. Bonus's usually can be deferred to next year, but since this is the last year, they have to be assigned to the players Cap hit, even if they don't reach them.

Last year you could assign it to next years cap knowing that the players were unlikely to get any of the bonus's ( hart trophy, 90+ points ect), and therefore no cap hit next year.

This explains why schenn's salary is something stupid like 3.5 million, because he "could" potentially gain that salary by completing all of the bonus requirements. As said, if he does the flyers will happily pay it, considering he's going to be a hart finalist/winner.

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I am sooo over the Stamkos chatter. If Homer can find another nice scoring winger with his spare change I would be happy.

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I am sooo over the Stamkos chatter. If Homer can find another nice scoring winger with his spare change I would be happy.
Because scoring wingers just grow on trees... Right?

And you're obviously extremely likely to find a scoring winger a week into free agency...

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he said up to...

sometimes bonuses get high if the player does well (in which case we'd happily pay)
Well, being that there is no bonus cushion this year, we'd be "paying" from the very start, regardless of his play. So if a bonus is written into it, that bonus is counting against the cap until it becomes impossible for him to acheive it.

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Agreed. We don't really need to blow up the team twice in a month.
I think we do.

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I think we do.
It makes things more interesting. You know what would make it really interesting? Trading Bryz and Pronger

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I think we do.
I agree. This batch sucks.

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I think we do.
For the spectacle? It certainly keeps us all busy here during the offseason.

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For the spectacle? It certainly keeps us all busy here during the offseason.
Do you believe that making a Stamkos trade would be "blowing it up" again? They haven't even gotten to training camp. The current roster is not set. A Stamkos trade would just be part of the entre overhaul. It makes no difference if The Stamkos trade was part of the initial batch of trades.

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Do you believe that making a Stamkos trade would be "blowing it up" again?
With the amount of salary we'd hafta move to make it fit. Yeah.

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Do you believe that making a Stamkos trade would be "blowing it up" again? They haven't even gotten to training camp. The current roster is not set. A Stamkos trade would just be part of the entre overhaul. It makes no difference if The Stamkos trade was part of the initial batch of trades.
It would be blowing up again, because we'd need to ditch some important salary to fit him. Briere, Hartnell, Timonen, etc all come to mind. The young guys' salaries wouldn't be enough.

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With the amount of salary we'd hafta move to make it fit. Yeah.
Adding Stamkos by moving Bob, Carle and Schenn would not be groundbreaking or even difficult to ft under the cap.

It's hardly even blowing it up again really, Schenn has never played for us, Carle is not a unique talent and losing Bob would suck but not irreplaceable.

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Adding Stamkos by moving Bob, Carle and Schenn would not be groundbreaking or even difficult to ft under the cap.

It's hardly even blowing it up again really, Schenn has never played for us, Carle is not a unique talent and losing Bob would suck but not irreplaceable.
Trading those 3 frees up 8.2ish million. Stamkos' cap hit might easily be higher than that alone, and that's without going into replacing the players you just traded. Something bigger would need to move. The team would absolutely be blown up again.

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Adding Stamkos by moving Bob, Carle and Schenn would not be groundbreaking or even difficult to ft under the cap.

It's hardly even blowing it up again really, Schenn has never played for us, Carle is not a unique talent and losing Bob would suck but not irreplaceable.
How do you figure we get Stammer for those three? That dog aint gonna hunt unless Stevie Y picks up a crack habit. The numbers may fit, but that trade aint gonna happen.

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Trading those 3 frees up 8.2ish million. Stamkos' cap hit might easily be higher than that alone, and that's without going into replacing the players you just traded. Something bigger would need to move. The team would absolutely be blown up again.
Gustavsson makes 900k and slides into the 6th D spot, that new goalie they just signed makes roughly 700k and takes over the backup role and if you nab Stamkos just use Wellwood on the 4th line at a 580k hit. That almost fits into the cap space we currently have ($2.1 mill).

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How do you figure we get Stammer for those three? That dog aint gonna hunt unless Stevie Y picks up a crack habit. The numbers may fit, but that trade aint gonna happen.
Add a 1st round pick and a prospect, IDK. If Stamkos doesnt want to play in Tampa, things will get interesting.

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It would be blowing up again, because we'd need to ditch some important salary to fit him. Briere, Hartnell, Timonen, etc all come to mind. The young guys' salaries wouldn't be enough.
When you say "blowing up," it usually means something has already been settled. It's still the offseason. The roster we see now will most likely be different than what we will see at the beginning of this year. With the number of new pieces added to this team, I doubt there is much chemistry left intact to destroy.

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