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07-08-2011, 05:01 PM
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More mismanagement from McPhee and Co.
How so? Fehr is not a player who has an impact either way. He is an average NHL player with an injury history. The wingers they have brought in this offseason to replace him are superior players.

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With the money Yandle and Wisniewski got... it's really hard to say what Alzner could get. I had him pegged around 2.75.

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07-08-2011, 05:02 PM
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Between the Caps cap situation and Fehr's injuries, as people have noted, only so much that the return was going to be. Not a fan of the return, but such is life.

One hockey note, Gwinnett is in SC’s division in the ECHL, so the scouts and SC staff saw plenty of Paquette last season, along with while he was in the Q before he played pro. I'm not a fan of that type of player/game and recall hearing a lot about him in the Q, but I'm assuming this was as much Winnipeg wanting to trade him (likely more about WPG wanting to move him) than the Caps wanting the prospect and the Caps have been good about providing players to the ECHL affiliate and depth for Hershey.

One of you fight fans might want to look and see if he fought Finley last season.


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07-08-2011, 05:03 PM
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How so? Fehr is not a player who has an impact either way. He is an average NHL player with an injury history. The wingers they have brought in this offseason to replace him are superior players.
Fehr has more value to the Caps than a minor leaguer and a 4th. He's a 20 goal scorer.

This deal is retarded in a vacuum.

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07-08-2011, 05:04 PM
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Funny thing is, Fehr might get quality top-6 mins in Winnipeg and score 20+. The casual hockey fan/McPhee hater will see this and still not get that he wouldn't get that icetime and resulting production in DC.

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With the money Yandle and Wisniewski got... it's really hard to say what Alzner could get. I had him pegged around 2.75.
Both of those players are elite NHL defensemen. Alzner has 1 year experience and his d-pairing partner made rookie 1st team.

2.75 is high.

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Fehr has more value to the Caps than a minor leaguer and a 4th. He's a 20 goal scorer.

This deal is retarded in a vacuum.
Correction...he WAS. How can you not see that Fehr was a bottom 6 forward here who doesn't hit and was injury prone. I mean is there a worse injury other than knees, than two bum shoulders for an NHLer?

Anything viewed in a vacuum isn't being analyzed rationally IMO.

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07-08-2011, 05:06 PM
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Fehr has more value to the Caps than a minor leaguer and a 4th. He's a 20 goal scorer.

This deal is retarded in a vacuum.
He scored 20 goals once in three seasons (21). That's like calling Semin a 40-goal scorer.

Fehr is somebody who has three shoulder operations in two years, and even if he's ready to go, he's considered damaged goods. That'll lower anybody's trade value, regardless of how he's been used (and I'm convinced that Fehr's injury issues affected that). The man has proven fragile, which is bad considering the style of game he plays.

Plus, the entire league knows that the Capitals are tight against the cap with a prime candidate for an offer sheet sitting there unsigned. Even if the Capitals waited to trade Fehr until the beginning of the season, it would be a salary dump. LTIR to hide salary only works if the player's probably going to be there most if not all the season (ala Poti).

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Both of those players are elite NHL defensemen. Alzner has 1 year experience and his d-pairing partner made rookie 1st team.

2.75 is high.
I would be thrilled if Alzner resigned for that much. The reality is that most observers agree that Alzner was the shutdown guy on that pairing, and one of the better ones in the league.


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He scored 20 goals once in three seasons (21). That's like calling Semin a 40-goal scorer.
He's still young, and RFA and has value. He's been clutch in spots as well.

a 4th rounder is a joke.

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07-08-2011, 05:11 PM
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We are moving out the injury prone....

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All of the injury prone-must go!!!

AFAIK, Paquette is a lesser Della Rovere.
So Semin's next?

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Both of those players are elite NHL defensemen. Alzner has 1 year experience and his d-pairing partner made rookie 1st team.

2.75 is high.
What I was trying to say is that I think the market this year is a little harder to predict.

Yes, I agree, they are both better players, but most expect the Caps want to wrap him up to a longer term. If they want to do that they need to offer him at least close to what Jeff Schultz is making. Most would say Alzner has more upside than Schultz.

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Hopefully this is where he wanted to go. I know Fehr has been worried about being traded for a while now.

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Hopefully this is where he wanted to go. I know Fehr has been worried about being traded for a while now.
Hopefully it makes the Caps better somehow. I'm sure the 25/yo millionaire will cope.

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07-08-2011, 05:18 PM
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He's still young, and RFA and has value. He's been clutch in spots as well.

a 4th rounder is a joke.
He's still not a "20-goal scorer."

He'll be 26 to start the season and has yet to play 70 games in a season (the most was 69--the year he scored 21--which was also the year he was supposedly healthy).

He's a limited player who doesn't PK, is not effective on the PP, and doesn't have playmaking ability. During his development, he was described as a possible goal-scoring power forward, which his injury issues (back and shoulders) have greatly hampered.

That said, he's a nice player, and yes, this is a salary dump. But the idea that he had a lot of worth on the trade market is fantasy.


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I completely agree with you, exwhaler.

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He's still not a "20-goal scorer."

He'll be 26 to start the season and has yet to play 70 games in a season (the most was 69--the year he scored 21--which was also the year he was supposedly healthy).
Agree to disagree. He always stepped it up to me. Whatever Fehr is he's far better than what they got in return. According to McPhee they didn't need to shed salary and Fehr's contract wasn't awful.

Why give him away for nothing?

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The dude has two ****ing cadaver shoulders.

Take the 4th and the pest and move on.

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Why give him away for nothing?
Damaged goods.

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You give him away for nothing because you need the cap space, and he plays the deepest position, by far, on the team.

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07-08-2011, 05:27 PM
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I don't understand the lack of appreciation for Fehr from management. He was always in Bruce's doghouse whereas Flash could do no wrong.

I hope this means they're bringing back Hannan or signing a Vet F for cheap because this stinks as a salary dump.
I'm hoping this too. GMGM I guess can't win every trade and I don't like this at all. Schultz's ass could have left town instead. With Winnipeg being my second favorite team after the Caps, I get to still see if he develops into a sniper. Kind of nice to see him go to home town. The negative side is, Winnipeg a divisional rival for now and just hope he don't catch on fire until next year . I don't get this trade at all, but only time will tell. One thing for sure, it was a waste of the 2003 1st rounder.

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Hopefully it makes the Caps better somehow. I'm sure the 25/yo millionaire will cope.
Millionare today, cautionary tale down the road

BTW is Winnepeg affordable? I imagine it's more affordable then DC.

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Damaged goods.
Flash wasn't?

Outside of the goaltender swap, McPhee has just re-arranged the chairs on the Titanic.

They still aren't even comparible to Cup contenders down the middle and have Semin sitting there at 6.7m.

Poor value deal.

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Flash wasn't?

Outside of the goaltender swap, McPhee has just re-arranged the chairs on the Titanic.

They still aren't even comparible to Cup contenders down the middle and have Semin sitting there at 6.7m.

Poor value deal.
I don't see the comparison between Fleischmann and Fehr healthwise in terms of Fleischmann's health at the time of the trade.

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$2.2M for what could have been their 4RW is poor value.

This clears more of a regular spot for Sjogren/Eakin/Beagle I suppose but I'd also prefer another cheap well-rounded veteran with lineup versatility.

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