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07-08-2011, 08:53 PM
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McDonagh was a bad pick to be honest...

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I can't believe Weber played first in the NHL before PK. How did that happen?
There wasn't enough spots on forward to try out Subban.

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07-08-2011, 09:00 PM
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McDonagh was a bad pick to be honest...
In what way? His offensive game hasn't developped as expected, but he had a very strong first season for the Rangers.

He would've been huge for us. Last year and in the future.

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It will always be difficult to beat 1984 when we picked Petr Svoboda, Shayne Corson, Stephane Richer and Patrick Roy. That lead to a cup.

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McDonagh was a bad pick to be honest...
Ask Rangers fans how much they like him.

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Ask Rangers fans how much they like him.
They're used to having scrubs on D.

McDonagh is a bottom pairing d-man at best.

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Trevor Timmins is the Man. I'm very happy he is our head scout. One of the best!

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07-08-2011, 09:21 PM
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Trevor Timmins is the Man. I'm very happy he is our head scout. One of the best!
People don't seem to realise this because Timmins biggest flaw(if you can call it that), is that he doesn't make "sexy" picks.

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They're used to having scrubs on D.

McDonagh is a bottom pairing d-man at best.
Are you an expert?

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Basically, every first round pick of Timmins works out except for David Fischer and Kyle Chipchura, and those are the two guys who suffered devastating injuries in junior.

He is very good, and I also think the Habs have gotten better at development in recent years. Kids take longer to move up through the system, but they get more of a chance. We're unlikely to see more mistakes like we did with Ron Hainsey for example.

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07-08-2011, 09:35 PM
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Conventional wisdom says if you get 2 NHL players out of 7 picks, you've done well for yourself. That's distilling drafting down to its most basic, but there you have it.

Timmins so far as at least 4 in the '04 (counting Yemelin, maybe premature), '05 and '07 drafts. '06 might as well - White, Maxwell, Valentenko and Carle aren't stars but they could carve out NHL careers.

I know people are mad over Montreal's inability to draft and develop a bonafide star but in terms of pure consistency, that's pretty damn remarkable.

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Conventional wisdom says if you get 2 NHL players out of 7 picks, you've done well for yourself. That's distilling drafting down to its most basic, but there you have it.

Timmins so far as at least 4 in the '04 (counting Yemelin, maybe premature), '05 and '07 drafts. '06 might as well - White, Maxwell, Valentenko and Carle aren't stars but they could carve out NHL careers.

I know people are mad over Montreal's inability to draft and develop a bonafide star but in terms of pure consistency, that's pretty damn remarkable.
Someone at some point compiled the data that both the Canadiens and Wings are the most consistent drafters of NHL players in the last 10 years. We dont have superstars like Zetterberg or Datsyuk, but it's not too shabby either.

People forget that a team is made of players who play well together. You don't win cups with a bunch of superstars (see the Rangers in the 90's). You win with a team with players that compliment each other.

I mean this applies to all areas of life, really. And the Habs have been doing this for sometime now, shedding the fat (Fatendresse, Ribeiro etc) and keeping the guys who care more about winning then appearing in JDM for all the wrong reasons.

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Someone at some point compiled the data that both the Canadiens and Wings are the most consistent drafters of NHL players in the last 10 years. We dont have superstars like Zetterberg or Datsyuk, but it's not too shabby either.
But when people talk about stars, they always seem to focus on the forwards - ignoring Price, Halak, Streit and Subban, who all have the potential to be considered stars from the blueline and back. So I don't think it's 100% fair to the scouting staff either. But yes, clearly the lack of a consistent, 80-90 point-producing forward is the fish that the scouting team just can't seem to catch. Not that it's an easy feat...

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07-08-2011, 09:58 PM
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But when people talk about stars, they always seem to focus on the forwards - ignoring Price, Halak, Streit and Subban, who all have the potential to be considered stars from the blueline and back. So I don't think it's 100% fair to the scouting staff either. But yes, clearly the lack of a consistent, 80-90 point-producing forward is the fish that the scouting team just can't seem to catch. Not that it's an easy feat...
That might have to do with the ever-present goalie-oriented system in Montreal. No surprise that the only time in the last 15 years where we've had a 80+ forward was with Carbo's transition-oriented game.

On another team, a guy like Plekanec might get to 80+ points.

Case in point, Mike Cammaleri.

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Are you an expert?
Not really, I just don't like the rangers.

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2005 was the best we drafted.... Jesus Price........ And the french great power forward Latendresse

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Let's not forget Palushaj too who was picked right after PK Subban by St.Louis (just like Eller just after McDonagh.)

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Not really, I just don't like the rangers.
so... you're an expert?
you saw it, you're saying you saw it, you're an expert?

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Yep, Jesus Price you said it..
He is already or will be starting this year the best goalie in the whole sport, and out of nowhere, be honest, everybody was scratching there head in '05 when he was picked, so Huge props to Timmins. 

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07-09-2011, 04:33 PM
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He is very good, and I also think the Habs have gotten better at development in recent years. Kids take longer to move up through the system, but they get more of a chance. We're unlikely to see more mistakes like we did with Ron Hainsey for example.[/QUOTE]

Whats wrong with Ron Hainsey??

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Whats wrong with Ron Hainsey??
Gainey screwed up on Hainsey. He gave him away for nothing, like how Vancouver gave away Michael Grabner.

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07-09-2011, 04:49 PM
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Gainey screwed up on Hainsey. He gave him away for nothing, like how Vancouver gave away Michael Grabner.
Vancouver traded Michael Grabner, Florida waived him!

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07-09-2011, 11:58 PM
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Gainey screwed up on Hainsey. He gave him away for nothing, like how Vancouver gave away Michael Grabner.
Oh ok, I know lol but the worst part is many in CKAC thought Hainsey shouldn't be in the NHL when he got traded and they were complaining about how the Canadiens suck at drafting.

I hate that radio channel...i'm thinking of switching.

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07-10-2011, 12:24 AM
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Our first rounders are ok but where Timmins excell is finding talent in round 2-6..

Plekaneks, Emelin, Streit, Halak, White, Lapierre, Obyrne, Subban, Weber, Latendresse, S.Kostsitsyn, Grabovski where all picked in round 2-9...

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The 2007 draft was great for us indeed.

Hell, Subban alone makes this a great draft for us.

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This just prove that scouts know more about the players than the fan. At least, McDonagh has played in the NHL... I never saw Esposito wearing a Pens or Thrashers jersey, and I'm sure we won't see him wear a Jets uniform.
Good call.

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