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09-12-2005, 11:49 PM
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2007 hall of fame

Looks to me that the Hall of fame is going to be deep in legends

With messier obviously going in

alot of players have retired since the last season played

I believe that only 3 players go in at a time

so besides Mess who goes in in 2007

and what hall of fame year had as many legends go in at the same time

I think in resent years Bourque and Cofffey in at the same time will come close

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Can anyone tell me how they determine when a player is eligible? Is it 3 years after his last pro game or 3 years after his official retirement? For example Messier just retired yesterday but his last game was in `04, so I`m not sure if he`s eligible for 2007 or 2008.

For 2006 Patrick Roy and Doug Gilmour are shoo-ins, Mike Richter is likely and Phil Housely and Tom Barasso are possibilities. They can induct anywhere from 0 to 4 players in one year.

For 2007 Adam Oates and Igor Larionov are shoo-ins, however if Messier, Stevens and MacInnis are eligible that year they will bump ahead of those two.

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maybe the HOF should let all the greats in at the same time it would be acelbration of our great sports greatest players!!!

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A player has to wait three years from the year he actually retired, not his last season. Messier, Stevens, MacInnis (and likely Francis) won't go in until 2008. (The HHOF admits up to four players a year).

Mike Bossy played his final NHL game during the 1986-87 season, but didn't actually retire from the back injury until 1988. He was inducted in 1991, four years after his final season, but three years after he retired.

Roy's a gimmie for 2006. Gilmour has a good shot for 2006, but may have to wait a year. Barasso might have a chance (his lack of a personality will hold him back). Housley shouldn't get a sniff, ever, and Richter has virtually no shot.

Oates and Larionov will headline the class of 2007, although it wouldn't surprise me if those guys have to wait, too.

Expect to see Anderson get in for 2006 or 2007. Ciccarelli may eventually get in, too. Makarov will likely be inducted at the same time as Larionov.

With their new expanded International wing (which opened, coincidentally, the same week as the HHOF named Kharlamov as part of this year's class), expect to see more inductions of players who spent most of their careers in Europe.

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and what hall of fame year had as many legends go in at the same time
1983:

Dryden Ken
Mikita Stan
Hull Bobby

1988:

O'Connor Buddy
Esposito Tony
Park Brad
Lafleur Guy

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none of those will compare to Mark Mcgwire, Rickey Henderson and Tony Gwynn.

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1983:

Dryden Ken
Mikita Stan
Hull Bobby

1988:

O'Connor Buddy
Esposito Tony
Park Brad
Lafleur Guy
Yeah, that 1983 class was special. All three guys are top-10 (and in the eyes of some, top-five) players at their position all-time.

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FYI,

"Must have concluded his career as an active player for a minimum of three playing seasons."

Maximum # of Players: Four

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/indelection.htm

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A player has to wait three years from the year he actually retired, not his last season. Messier, Stevens, MacInnis (and likely Francis) won't go in until 2008. (The HHOF admits up to four players a year).

Mike Bossy played his final NHL game during the 1986-87 season, but didn't actually retire from the back injury until 1988. He was inducted in 1991, four years after his final season, but three years after he retired.

Roy's a gimmie for 2006. Gilmour has a good shot for 2006, but may have to wait a year. Barasso might have a chance (his lack of a personality will hold him back). Housley shouldn't get a sniff, ever, and Richter has virtually no shot.

Oates and Larionov will headline the class of 2007, although it wouldn't surprise me if those guys have to wait, too.

Expect to see Anderson get in for 2006 or 2007. Ciccarelli may eventually get in, too. Makarov will likely be inducted at the same time as Larionov.

With their new expanded International wing (which opened, coincidentally, the same week as the HHOF named Kharlamov as part of this year's class), expect to see more inductions of players who spent most of their careers in Europe.
Agree with everything here. Nicely put.

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With the 2008 being such a high calibre year, people who are get bumped from that year may not have much luck the following year. With Yzerman retiring, he becomes an automatic entry. Plus, there's a whole bunch of players that have put up some great numbers over the career, much of it do to them playing their peak years in the run-and-gun years, it will make the years that follow pretty interesting to see who gets in first, who has to wait, and who will be left out. Just running through a quick list of names of potential candidates of recently retired, and players that I would expect would hang them up in the next few years:

2008 Guarentees
Messier
Francis
Stevens
MacInnis

2009 Guarantees:
Yzerman

The rest:
Damphousse
Hasek
Belfour
Robitaille
Andreychuk
Turgeon
Niewendyk

Plus, there's a list of players that will be likely be retiring in a few years, but, for whatever reason, it could happen sooner than later:
Modano
Roenick
Lidstrom
Shanahan
Sundin
Sakic
Forsberg
Jagr
Federov

Also, I'm assuming that Lemieux doesn't have to be re-inducted into the HHOF, otherwise, that's another slot that's taken.

All of this is to say that getting into the HHOF could be pretty tough in the next few years. Guys that are eligible in 2007, but don't get in, may have to wait a few years before another good opportunity comes through.

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Also, I'm assuming that Lemieux doesn't have to be re-inducted into the HHOF, otherwise, that's another slot that's taken.
Yeah, I doubt that. I don't remember Guy Lafleur or Gordie Howe being reinducted.

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With the 2008 being such a high calibre year, people who are get bumped from that year may not have much luck the following year. With Yzerman retiring, he becomes an automatic entry. Plus, there's a whole bunch of players that have put up some great numbers over the career, much of it do to them playing their peak years in the run-and-gun years, it will make the years that follow pretty interesting to see who gets in first, who has to wait, and who will be left out. Just running through a quick list of names of potential candidates of recently retired, and players that I would expect would hang them up in the next few years:

2008 Guarentees
Messier
Francis
Stevens
MacInnis

2009 Guarantees:
Yzerman

The rest:
Damphousse
Hasek
Belfour
Robitaille
Andreychuk
Turgeon
Niewendyk

Plus, there's a list of players that will be likely be retiring in a few years, but, for whatever reason, it could happen sooner than later:
Modano
Roenick
Lidstrom
Shanahan
Sundin
Sakic
Forsberg
Jagr
Federov

Also, I'm assuming that Lemieux doesn't have to be re-inducted into the HHOF, otherwise, that's another slot that's taken.

All of this is to say that getting into the HHOF could be pretty tough in the next few years. Guys that are eligible in 2007, but don't get in, may have to wait a few years before another good opportunity comes through.
You forgot Chelios, one of the top-10 defencemen in NHL history. I could see him retiring next year, but he's more of a lock than Stevens or MacInnis, IMO.

I'm a big Vinnie Damphousse fan, but he won't get in. He was one of the best LWs in the league for several years, led a Cup winning team in scoring, and then morphed into a very strong two-way centre (he was one of the five or 10 best players in the league in the latter half of the 1995-96 season), but outside of 1995-96, he never had that stellar, knock-out, talk about it 10-20 years later season.

Turgeon? In the HHOF? The padded rooms at the asylum aren't as soft as Turgeon. What has he done to get in the Hall? No all-star teams, no Cups, not even a memorable playoff year. When people talk about Pierre Turgeon intensity, it's not meant as a compliment.

As for Andreychuk, he's such an interesting case. He had a lot of strong years, but never that all-time great year. The PP goals record isn't exactly one of the big ones that cinches HHOF admission. But our last memories of him are going to be the leader who galvanized that Tampa Bay locker room, eliminated the many divisions and cliques that existed, and played peacekeeper in the Tortorella and Lecavalier spat midway through 2003-04. There is no way that Tampa wins the 2004 Stanley Cup without Dave Andreychuk and Tim Taylor, and Andreychuk's work as a leader may be enough to get him over the hump.

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Housley shouldn't get a sniff? Not even a wiff? Not ever?
A little harsh, no?
He probably won't get in but he had a very long and successful career. His +/- is horrible, he wasn't the best defensively, but he was one of the passers/pp specialist in the NHL for many years. How many American born defensemen have been of Housley's calibre? I can think of two others... He can rightfully be considerd IMO.

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Housley shouldn't get a sniff? Not even a wiff? Not ever?
A little harsh, no?
He probably won't get in but he had a very long and successful career. His +/- is horrible, he wasn't the best defensively, but he was one of the passers/pp specialist in the NHL for many years. How many American born defensemen have been of Housley's calibre? I can think of two others... He can rightfully be considerd IMO.
Housley was one-dimensional. That's why he won't get in. We talk about Coffey being bad defensively. Coffey was average defensively, and he was Rod freakin' Langway compared to Housley. The voters tend to put an emphasis on offensive numbers, but even with Housley's numbers, he was a second-team all-star once, and that was the infamous 1992-93 season, when he scored 97 points and finished a scintillating -14. (Those who say that you can't tell anything from plus-minus would even gasp at those numbers).

I don't care about how many American defencemen are at his level. (I'm assuming you are referring to Leetch and Chelios). I care about how many defencemen are at his level overall. And there were many, many better than Housley. Why don't we induct Sandis Ozilinsch for being the best Latvian defenceman ever? Or Teppo Numinnen for being one of the best Finnish defencemen in NHL history? (And don't get me wrong, I'm a big Teppo fan, but he's not HHOF material).

The HHOF standards are changing. Ciccarelli's multiple ommissions despite 600 goals should tell you that. It's not what you produced, it's how you produced it. Housley got his points by playing a long time and ignoring defensive responsibilities. The HHOF voters will remember that for a long, long time.

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You forgot Chelios, one of the top-10 defencemen in NHL history. I could see him retiring next year, but he's more of a lock than Stevens or MacInnis, IMO.

I'm a big Vinnie Damphousse fan, but he won't get in. He was one of the best LWs in the league for several years, led a Cup winning team in scoring, and then morphed into a very strong two-way centre (he was one of the five or 10 best players in the league in the latter half of the 1995-96 season), but outside of 1995-96, he never had that stellar, knock-out, talk about it 10-20 years later season.

Turgeon? In the HHOF? The padded rooms at the asylum aren't as soft as Turgeon. What has he done to get in the Hall? No all-star teams, no Cups, not even a memorable playoff year. When people talk about Pierre Turgeon intensity, it's not meant as a compliment.

As for Andreychuk, he's such an interesting case. He had a lot of strong years, but never that all-time great year. The PP goals record isn't exactly one of the big ones that cinches HHOF admission. But our last memories of him are going to be the leader who galvanized that Tampa Bay locker room, eliminated the many divisions and cliques that existed, and played peacekeeper in the Tortorella and Lecavalier spat midway through 2003-04. There is no way that Tampa wins the 2004 Stanley Cup without Dave Andreychuk and Tim Taylor, and Andreychuk's work as a leader may be enough to get him over the hump.
Chelios was an ommission. I always forget about him. A lock for sure. Damphouse and Turgeon are both stretches, but, they have strong career numbers, which gives them automatic consideration. Vinny and Turgeon both have over 1200 points. It puts them in rare company. Turgeon may not get in, but, if he doesn't, he'll probably go down as the highest scoring player to not enter the HHOF. An interesting achievement nonetheless.

I agree that Andreychuk is an interesting case, and I go back to the numbers for him. Passing the 600 goal mark was a pretty big achievement, and, like you said, his leadership in the cup run takes him up a notch.

I also forgot Leetch. 2 Norris trophies and a Conn Smythe will get him a spot.

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Housley was one-dimensional. That's why he won't get in.
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Ciccarelli may eventually get in
Bit of a contradiction.

Housely`s `93 doesn`t look too bad compared to:

Ciccarelli `88: 86 pts., -29

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We talk about Coffey being bad defensively. Coffey was average defensively, and he was Rod freakin' Langway compared to Housley.

Interesting you should mention Langway who is in the Hall... I mean his awesome defensive ability, his great leadership (and a player I've always cheered btw..) sure he deserves to be there but his offensive point totals well a little low, no?
And although 900+ games is a long career, 1500 games is quite a bit more.

Listen I never said he should be in, but for Housley to not even be remotely considered because he wasn't the complete d-man is a little much. He's (I believe)12th all-time in GP and 16th in Assists.

I guess longevity, ice time, offensive production, and funny skating style gets little respect nowadays for a defenseman.

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sundin and belforu could play 7 and 4 more yrs each!!!!

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Interesting you should mention Langway who is in the Hall... I mean his awesome defensive ability, his great leadership (and a player I've always cheered btw..) sure he deserves to be there but his offensive point totals well a little low, no?
And although 900+ games is a long career, 1500 games is quite a bit more.

Listen I never said he should be in, but for Housley to not even be remotely considered because he wasn't the complete d-man is a little much. He's (I believe)12th all-time in GP and 16th in Assists.

I guess longevity, ice time, offensive production, and funny skating style gets little respect nowadays for a defenseman.
Langway was one of the game's dominant defensive defencemen in the 1980s. He has two Norris Trophies, beating out guys like Coffey, Bourque, Potvin and Robinson. He's a multi-time post-season all-star. He was virtually impossible to beat in his own zone.

Longevity, ice time and offensive production do get respect. An abject failure to do the most important part of your job (defencemen need to have some ability in the defensive zone) does not. Housley has no place in the hall.

I'd rather have Rod Langway, who dominated defensively and provided a measure of offensive production, than Phil Housley, who was excellent offensively but incompetent defensively. A chronic back injury derailed the final few years of his career.

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We'll have to wait and see, but he will be considered...
I too would take Langway and he indeed does deserve to be in the hall.

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