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07-09-2011, 04:21 PM
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Enroth Not Interested in Latest Offer

Per MHJ and Andy Strickland:

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Word is Sabres goaltender Jhonas Enroth is not interested in the current offer from the club. Told $525,000 one-way or $660/$62,500 #Sabres
9 minutes ago via web

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...I hope this doesn't end badly for us.

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Per MHJ and Andy Strickland:

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Word is Sabres goaltender Jhonas Enroth is not interested in the current offer from the club. Told $525,000 one-way or $660/$62,500 #Sabres
9 minutes ago via web
So either his QO or a "low-balling" one-way contract. Can't blame him for not accepting either one of those.

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So they are offering him league minimum on a one-way or his qualifying offer.

I can see why he wouldn't be interested.

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Who's got two thumbs and predicted the Enroth negotiation was going to be long and drawn out...

Anyways, this isn't surprising. I'm sure Enroth wants Schneider's deal ($900k per, 2 yrs), or something in that neighborhood. Looks like there's quite a bit of distance between the parties at this point.

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I wouldn't be interested either. I can't imagine offering him that much less than LaLAME got.

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....and thats why we negotiate. Regier offers low, they counter high. Regier comes up, they come down, eventually they meet in the middle.

I've got a wooden nickel that is probably their qualifying offer and his agent is sniffing around to get some interest on an offer sheet to try to put some pressure on Regier to up their offer.

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I had him penciled in at 2yrs/850-900 per.

Of course, it's not my money I'm spending so freely.

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I had him penciled in at 2yrs/850-900 per.

Of course, it's not my money I'm spending so freely.
That was my hope. It's a bit more than I like to spend on a backup goaltender, but I think at the same time Enroth offers more quality than your typical backup.

I'd point out that the Oilers gave a young goaltender (Dubnyk) $1.0M last year for a year's worth of sub .900 sv pct and something like a 3.57 GAA.

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Who's got two thumbs and predicted the Enroth negotiation was going to be long and drawn out...

Anyways, this isn't surprising. I'm sure Enroth wants Schneider's deal ($900k per, 2 yrs), or something in that neighborhood. Looks like there's quite a bit of distance between the parties at this point.

$800k-$900k would be fine if the plan is for him to be Miller's backup.

I wonder if he'd be interested in a 2-way deal for 2 years at about that price. Would he have to pass through waivers?

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$800k-$900k would be fine if the plan is for him to be Miller's backup.

I wonder if he'd be interested in a 2-way deal for 2 years at about that price. Would he have to pass through waivers?
He has one more year or 64 games until he has to pass through waivers.

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Ah man, the Sabres can't let Enroth get away or make him not want to re-sign...Sabres finally have someone who can spell Miller...

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Nothing to worry about IMO. They know what they have in Enroth and they'll get it done.

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not a big deal...5 years ago we never wouldve known how 'negotiations' were going.

thanks twitterverse

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I can't really believe that. If it's true than Regier sure likes to start low so the middle gets dragged down .

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Jhonas Enroth's qualifying offer is for $660,000.

Because his base salary of $600,000 — total salary of $685,000 minus signing bonus of $85,000 — is less than or equal to $660,000, it is increased by 10 percent for the purposes of his qualifying offer.

NOTE: It must be a one-way qualifying offer if a) the player appeared in 180 or more NHL games in three previous seasons; b) the player appeared in 60 or more NHL games the previous season; and c) the player did not clear waivers during the previous season. Backup goaltender appearances count as games.

CBA REFERENCE: Section 10.2 a (P. 30-31)

http://www.capgeek.com/qualifying_of...?player_id=406

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I'm calling BS on this.

Enroth made $685k at the NHL level last year. His QO therefore must be at least 105%, and the numbers reported are both less.

Don't think it's accurate.

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How many games do you guys see him playing this year?

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I'm calling BS on this.

Enroth made $685k at the NHL level last year. His QO therefore must be at least 105%, and the numbers reported are both less.

Don't think it's accurate.
Sorry, I trust their numbers more than you.

Regardless, the tweet is still incorrect. They can't offer lower than his QO (which is a 1 way deal per the CBA). Moreover, why would a team without a backup goalie (with no apparent intention to sign a different back up goalie) offer the kid a 2-way deal?

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Who's got two thumbs and predicted the Enroth negotiation was going to be long and drawn out...

Anyways, this isn't surprising. I'm sure Enroth wants Schneider's deal ($900k per, 2 yrs), or something in that neighborhood. Looks like there's quite a bit of distance between the parties at this point.
I'm not certain about everything Schneider has done, but isn't he at least a little bit more qualified than Enroth? I'm a little surprised at how they're lowballing him, but I'm sure they have their reasons. Enroth has hardly done anything, He should be willing to take a one year one way contract and set about proving himself as a reliable player in the league.

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How many games do you guys see him playing this year?
ideally 25, with Lindy as the coach probably 15 - 20

(barring any injuries)

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Jhonas Enroth's qualifying offer is for $660,000.

Because his base salary of $600,000 — total salary of $685,000 minus signing bonus of $85,000 — is less than or equal to $660,000, it is increased by 10 percent for the purposes of his qualifying offer.

NOTE: It must be a one-way qualifying offer if a) the player appeared in 180 or more NHL games in three previous seasons; b) the player appeared in 60 or more NHL games the previous season; and c) the player did not clear waivers during the previous season. Backup goaltender appearances count as games.

CBA REFERENCE: Section 10.2 a (P. 30-31)

http://www.capgeek.com/qualifying_of...?player_id=406
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I'm calling BS on this.

Enroth made $685k at the NHL level last year. His QO therefore must be at least 105%, and the numbers reported are both less.

Don't think it's accurate.
It's explained in the bolded part above.

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Sorry, I trust their numbers more than you.

Regardless, the tweet is still incorrect. They can't offer lower than his QO (which is a 1 way deal per the CBA). Moreover, why would a team without a backup goalie (with no apparent intention to sign a different back up goalie) offer the kid a 2-way deal?
His QO is a $660k two-way contract, not a one-way.

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EDIT: I stand corrected. Capgeek didn't make it clear that only the base was in play, and not bonuses, when calculating the QO.

Either way, I can't imagine the $525k 1 way offer is legitimate.


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His QO is a $660k two-way contract, not a one-way.
The tweet says he was also offered $550k 1 way, which makes no sense.

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That's fair. I don't know if it's 5% or 10% but either way it can't be less than he made last year, which is what the tweet said, and what I don't buy.
For purposes of qualifying offers, singing bonuses are not considered salary.
$85,000 of his $685,000 NHL salary last season was a signing bonus, so the other $600,000 is his base salary.
His base salary was less than $660,000, his qualifying offer must be 110% of his last base salary.
110% of $600,000 is $660,000.

The $660,000 two-way is his qualifying offer, which he has until July 15th to accept.

The $525,000 one-way is a separate deal that he can accept at any time and is different from his qualifying offer, thus it doesn't have to follow the 110% of the prior base salary rule.

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