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Shea Weber vs Drew Doughty

View Poll Results: Weber or Doughty?
Shea Weber 165 56.12%
Drew Doughty 129 43.88%
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07-08-2011, 08:19 PM
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weber is to pronger as doughty is to niedermeyer

Ducks will take both.

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Rest of their career? Doughty, easily.

But, since the Kings already have him, I will take Weber

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Weber...The legend of Drew Doughty is pretty overblown on this site. He's a good young player, but his one great season got him an undeserved reputation. Unless he commits to conditioning and consistency his career could run a parallel course to The Dion.
Defensemen usually round-out their play as they get older, so it should be exciting to see how much further Doughty matures his game in the next decade or so.

For now: Weber

In the future: Doughty


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07-09-2011, 07:29 AM
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07-09-2011, 08:58 AM
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I thought Doughty would win this easily.

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07-09-2011, 09:30 AM
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Weber is better at the moment but i would pick Drew without hesitate.

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07-09-2011, 09:38 AM
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The overhyping of Doughty continues. I'm a huge fan, but it's getting a little ridiculous. I remember people calling him a generational player on another board last year. I don't see it. I see a very good defenseman who had a phenomenal year. Of course, I got crucified for suggesting that he might not repeat his Norris calibre performance this past season. Well look at that...

The hype surrounding this guy reminds me of another young defensive prodigy who everyone thought would dominate the league for years to come. Poor Dion.

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07-09-2011, 09:54 AM
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The overhyping of Doughty continues. I'm a huge fan, but it's getting a little ridiculous. I remember people calling him a generational player on another board last year. I don't see it. I see a very good defenseman who had a phenomenal year. Of course, I got crucified for suggesting that he might not repeat his Norris calibre performance this past season. Well look at that...

The hype surrounding this guy reminds me of another young defensive prodigy who everyone thought would dominate the league for years to come. Poor Dion.
You realize Doughty is only 21?

He missed the start of the season (6 games) because of off-season surgery.

His numbers were 11-29-40 +13

Weber's numbers were 16-32-48 +7, not a big difference and Weber played with Suter as a partner and Rhine in goal behind him.

Please, don't compare Doughty to Phaneuf.

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07-09-2011, 10:00 AM
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07-09-2011, 10:47 AM
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Doughty. Doughty has a much higher ceiling. I foresee Doughty being a perennial Norris candidate throughout his career. At 21 he was already a Norris finalist, and won a Gold Medal and was a big part of putting the Kings back into the playoff picture. In his sophomore year, 20 years old, he put up a point total higher than any season Weber has ever had.

I think Weber is a top-5 defense man in the NHL, and right now, he might even have the edge (he certainly had a better year), but for "eternity" to lock up one defense man for the rest of their career, I'd choose Doughty, and for me, I don't even have to put much thought into it. The kid will be a modern day Ray Bourque. Book it.

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The overhyping of Doughty continues. I'm a huge fan, but it's getting a little ridiculous. I remember people calling him a generational player on another board last year. I don't see it. I see a very good defenseman who had a phenomenal year. Of course, I got crucified for suggesting that he might not repeat his Norris calibre performance this past season. Well look at that...

The hype surrounding this guy reminds me of another young defensive prodigy who everyone thought would dominate the league for years to come. Poor Dion.
Congratulations, you predicted that Doughty would miss games due to a wrist injury, and would suffer a concussion causing him to be off his game for a further 10 games, yet he still put up 40 points and was the #1 dman on a team that was near top of the league for GAA.

ye good call, i guess that makers you right in some way

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Doughty. Doughty has a much higher ceiling. I foresee Doughty being a perennial Norris candidate throughout his career. At 21 he was already a Norris finalist, and won a Gold Medal and was a big part of putting the Kings back into the playoff picture.
Weber. Weber has a much higher ceiling. I forsee him being a perennial Norris candidate throughout his career. At 25 he's already a Norris Finalist and won a gold medal and was a huge part of putting the Preds back into the playoff picture.

They're very close. I take Weber.

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Weber. Weber has a much higher ceiling. I forsee him being a perennial Norris candidate throughout his career. At 25 he's already a Norris Finalist and won a gold medal and was a huge part of putting the Preds back into the playoff picture.

They're very close. I take Weber.
Erm...do you know who Doughty is?

21
Norris Finalist
Won a gold metal

Same junk you put in your reply, only much, much younger.

I would currently pick Weber, but I don't see Weber having much higher of a ceiling than where he currently is. Doughty I do.


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Currently take Doughty and in the future. Guy is unreal.

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I'll take Doughty. The sky is the limit with him. Weber is probably already at his peak.

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You realize Doughty is only 21?

He missed the start of the season (6 games) because of off-season surgery.

His numbers were 11-29-40 +13

Weber's numbers were 16-32-48 +7, not a big difference and Weber played with Suter as a partner and Rhine in goal behind him.

Please, don't compare Doughty to Phaneuf.
I am not impressed. Phaneuf's numbers, his performance all around in his first three years were massive. People seem to forget that he was a total stud. He averaged 53 points over that time, he was a Norris candidate against tougher competition. Chara, and Lidstrom who was still at the top of his game. He hit, he blocked shots, he scored a lot of goals, and he was a rock in his own end. People have short memories. I see the same hype with Doughty that I saw with Phaneuf.

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Congratulations, you predicted that Doughty would miss games due to a wrist injury, and would suffer a concussion causing him to be off his game for a further 10 games, yet he still put up 40 points and was the #1 dman on a team that was near top of the league for GAA.

ye good call, i guess that makers you right in some way
So uh... What's your point? Doughty had one stellar year and a couple good years. Not many defenders that I'd take before Doughty, but he's just not as good as a lot of people like to think. He's kind of in there with Toews and Datsyuk. Fantastic players who get hyped up way too much for what they've accomplished.

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07-10-2011, 12:33 PM
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I am not impressed. Phaneuf's numbers, his performance all around in his first three years were massive. People seem to forget that he was a total stud. He averaged 53 points over that time, he was a Norris candidate against tougher competition. Chara, and Lidstrom who was still at the top of his game. He hit, he blocked shots, he scored a lot of goals, and he was a rock in his own end. People have short memories. I see the same hype with Doughty that I saw with Phaneuf.
Phaneuf was never a rock in his own end. The rock was his partner Roman Hamrlik. When Dion broke into the league, he was dynamite offensively and instantly one of the most feared open-ice hitters, but even then, Calgary fans saw holes in his defensive game. He was said to be the most "exciting" player to have on the ice, both because of the offense he generated, as well as the goals scored against him.

I don't see the comparison with him and Doughty both in terms of development and style. Doughty never got seasoning in the AHL, didn't have many holes in his game during his dominant season, and became one of Canada's best defenseman in the Olympics.

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07-10-2011, 12:35 PM
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Its close but i take Doughty.

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There have always been these myths about Phaneuf that are simply untrue. One of them being that he's "poor" in his own zone. No, he's never going to be confused for Rod Langway in his own end, but he's spent his entire career in shutdown roles against some of the best in the league. Yeah, sometimes he gets burned, who doesn't?. But as a Leafs fan, he's the guy I want on the ice in the final minute of a close game because he can lock it down when it matters.

Anyway, I see a lot of similarities between Doughty and Phaneuf. Doughty has greater hockey sense, no doubt. But Phaneuf's first few years impressed me far more than Doughty's, and anyone who has been on HFBoards for a great amount of time can verify just how bad some of the Phaneuf hype was around here back then. And now look where he is. I'm not ready to hand Doughty a crown just yet, I want to see him consistently impress. So far he's been good, not great.

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There have always been these myths about Phaneuf that are simply untrue. One of them being that he's "poor" in his own zone. No, he's never going to be confused for Rod Langway in his own end, but he's spent his entire career in shutdown roles against some of the best in the league. Yeah, sometimes he gets burned, who doesn't?. But as a Leafs fan, he's the guy I want on the ice in the final minute of a close game because he can lock it down when it matters.
I see what you mean. Phaneuf wasn't the constant liability some people claim he was, just that his high risk high reward style of play is incompatible with being a defensive rock.

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This is super tough, i literally toggled back and fourth on the selection for a couple minutes.

I ended up picking Doughty, but now I feel like I should have taken Weber.

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