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10-19-2003, 08:03 PM
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What, you mean you do admit to poor calls being made? Okay I take it back then, but to be perfectly honest, EVERY time someone critisizes a call-there you are, backing up the refs. Not trying to be mean or anything Van, I respect your opinion plenty, but when it comes to referees, I guess I just think you are very biased.

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10-20-2003, 12:28 AM
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What, you mean you do admit to poor calls being made? Okay I take it back then, but to be perfectly honest, EVERY time someone critisizes a call-there you are, backing up the refs. Not trying to be mean or anything Van, I respect your opinion plenty, but when it comes to referees, I guess I just think you are very biased.
I have never, ever said that referees don't make mistakes.

Think of the officials as a team. When you see a guy like Brent Sopel cough up the puck in his own zone and cost the Canucks a goal, his teammates, coach and/or manager will admit a mistake but they will be there to back him up in some way, shape or form (unless your name is Bobby Clarke).

The officials are the third team on the ice. The difference is that when an official makes a mistake, 18,000 people in the building and a hell of a lot more watching on TV thinks he should be fired on the spot (a generalization, not everybody falls into this category). All I try to do when I backup the officials, is let people know what it is like to be in their position. How many people who ***** about a call here and there had the same view as the referee of the play in question, saw it just once at full speed and had a split second to decide whether or not to fire their arm in the air?

I do defend officials because I am an official myself. If anybody thinks there will be perfect robot-like officiating and 100% consistency, they are living in a dream world.

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10-20-2003, 01:24 AM
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I have never, ever said that referees don't make mistakes.

Think of the officials as a team. When you see a guy like Brent Sopel cough up the puck in his own zone and cost the Canucks a goal, his teammates, coach and/or manager will admit a mistake but they will be there to back him up in some way, shape or form (unless your name is Bobby Clarke).

The officials are the third team on the ice. The difference is that when an official makes a mistake, 18,000 people in the building and a hell of a lot more watching on TV thinks he should be fired on the spot (a generalization, not everybody falls into this category). All I try to do when I backup the officials, is let people know what it is like to be in their position. How many people who ***** about a call here and there had the same view as the referee of the play in question, saw it just once at full speed and had a split second to decide whether or not to fire their arm in the air?

I do defend officials because I am an official myself. If anybody thinks there will be perfect robot-like officiating and 100% consistency, they are living in a dream world.
Personally, I would rather hope you would just address a call on it's own merit, rather than try and bolster the officiating fan base. Calling a bad call good because you happen to be in the same fraternity doesn't help at all. Admitting it was a bad call, but then explaining that from where the official was on the ice, it's very difficult to get things right all the time, goes a whole lot further to convince fans of the difficulty of officiating. By denying that any of these refs have made mistakes, you are infact, acting as if they are machines. Kind of ironical eh?

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I, myself, have been an official for nearly 10 years now. And as being part of that "third team" I like seeing my bretheren defended. Especially at the amatuer, where we have even more factors working against us. However, when I am watching professional officials work professional hockey games I am not nearly as forgiving. These men are getting paid very good money for their judgement. And of course when you have that type of job you are going to make mistakes. Almost to the point where it is impossible to have a flawless game. And just as in any other job where you get paid to make split second judgement decisions (police officers, armed forces, athletes, pilots, surgeons, etc) you will be criticized when you make mistakes, because you have been trained to make the right decision.

So although I appreciate your kindness towards officials, I do not agree with the fassion that you give it. The only way for anybody to get better at what they do is to learn from their mistakes, and by defending their every move they are not going to get better.

That being said, don't even try to tell us we are wrong when we are on the ice, because we are always in the right, and that will never change :p

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Admitting it was a bad call, but then explaining that from where the official was on the ice, it's very difficult to get things right all the time, goes a whole lot further to convince fans of the difficulty of officiating.
Here is the interesting part.....this is what I do whenever there is a call I too, do not agree with.

And there are also calls that fans might think are bad calls, and I can explain why they are good....but those explanations are never taken seriously.

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Here is the interesting part.....this is what I do whenever there is a call I too, do not agree with.

And there are also calls that fans might think are bad calls, and I can explain why they are good....but those explanations are never taken seriously.
Van: Have you ever been abused (yeah, obviously if you're a ref you have but I don't want to assume anything) by the players or fans and if so, what was the worst incident that you've had reffing?

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Van: Have you ever been abused (yeah, obviously if you're a ref you have but I don't want to assume anything) by the players or fans and if so, what was the worst incident that you've had reffing?
The worst always comes at the annual native tournaments (not trying to be racist here)...I've needed plenty of security escorts from the building at these tourneys. There have been countless incidents and threats...too many to tell.

The worst I have experienced was last season when one coach waited for me in the parking lot. Nothing came of it because I told him as I was walking what would happen to him if he even tried to touch me (I would press charges and he would likely be banned for life by Hockey Canada)...but I was ready to defend myself none the less.

I did write that on the game report when I got home before I faxed it off, and the coach got suspended.

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Here is the interesting part.....this is what I do whenever there is a call I too, do not agree with.

And there are also calls that fans might think are bad calls, and I can explain why they are good....but those explanations are never taken seriously.
Well if that's the case, then by all means keep it up!

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