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07-12-2011, 12:45 PM
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I might be wrong...didn't Draper retire?

As for what's being discussed, I wouldn't mind Madden, in fact I'd welcome him with open arms, however, I'd like to see us acquire a top 4 minute eating defensmen first. Although I totally understand why people are concerned with the faceoffs.

Damn, now you guys have me thinking! I still think the D-man is more important, but I also think that a faceoff, P.K specialist isn't far behind in terms of priority!

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I'd like Madden but that would leave us without a good right handed centre unless we want to rely on White or Engqvist.

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What's the point of drafting and signing young players if we don't give them a shot. Madden will still be available after training camp, give Engqvist his shot dammit.

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Ok Kovalev for 1m or Drury for 1m?
No to Kovalev at any price. Drury wasn't really able to play last year, you'd have to have the medical clearance to sign him to anything, and it sounds like his injury is permanent/chronic so I don't see the point in wasting a roster place on him. The "idea of Drury" is a good one, but it seems like the ship has sailed. I'd be all for inviting him to training camp to try to find out, however, if he's still interested in trying to play. That can't hurt.

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What's the point of drafting and signing young players if we don't give them a shot. Madden will still be available after training camp, give Engqvist his shot dammit.
We're talking about a guy to take key draws against experienced NHL players, hopefully a guy who can play a checking role or kill penalties... I don't see how you can rely on Engqvist for that. You have to ease those young guys in. We need somebody above the level of easing in. To help ease them in, actually.

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We're talking about a guy to take key draws against experienced NHL players, hopefully a guy who can play a checking role or kill penalties... I don't see how you can rely on Engqvist for that. You have to ease those young guys in. We need somebody above the level of easing in. To help ease them in, actually.
Unfortunately this is Plekanecs job until a combination of

(A) Eller becomes a 2nd line centre
(B) Gomez disappears

and we have money for a legit 3rd line shut down centre. I hope that next year, we can finally have a shut down centre so Pleks can focus on scoring / playmaking in the playoffs.

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Unfortunately this is Plekanecs job until a combination of

(A) Eller becomes a 2nd line centre
(B) Gomez disappears

and we have money for a legit 3rd line shut down centre. I hope that next year, we can finally have a shut down centre so Pleks can focus on scoring / playmaking in the playoffs.
Plekanec can't take right-handed faceoffs. Unfortunately he was born left-handed

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Ok Kovalev for 1m or Drury for 1m?
Drury.

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A healthy Drury for sure! I wouldn't even take Kovalev for the league minimum.

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We're talking about a guy to take key draws against experienced NHL players, hopefully a guy who can play a checking role or kill penalties... I don't see how you can rely on Engqvist for that. You have to ease those young guys in. We need somebody above the level of easing in. To help ease them in, actually.
If that is the case, we should have made an effort to sign Halpern... or maybe we did make the effort and came up short.

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If that is the case, we should have made an effort to sign Halpern... or maybe we did make the effort and came up short.
To me that was a no brainer, I would have easily matched what Washington gave him maybe 100k more. He could win faceoffs, kill penalities, play against top lines and still had good production on offense.

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In 4-5 years, do you beleive that he will still be playing with the Canadiens ?

Not many players have played 5 or motre years with the habs in a recent past, especialy the youngsters.

Eller must have 30 to 40 points this year and be ready to have a top-six role the following year.
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Unfortunately this is Plekanecs job until a combination of

(A) Eller becomes a 2nd line centre
(B) Gomez disappears

and we have money for a legit 3rd line shut down centre. I hope that next year, we can finally have a shut down centre so Pleks can focus on scoring / playmaking in the playoffs.
We're not maximizing our value on our investment in Plekanec if we drain him physically and mentally with all those defensive and PK minutes.

I share your hope.

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A healthy Drury for sure! I wouldn't even take Kovalev for the league minimum.
i wouldnt even make him take a roster spot in hamilton.

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07-12-2011, 05:44 PM
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To me that was a no brainer, I would have easily matched what Washington gave him maybe 100k more. He could win faceoffs, kill penalities, play against top lines and still had good production on offense.
His knees were gone and he slowed down a ton since the first two months.

Winning organizations promote from within, the entire club mantra since 2003 has been to become a winning organization (like the Devils, Red Wings and former Avalanche), no point bringing back slowing-down vets just for easy roles like PK and faceoffs, you get Gomez and Eller to work on their faceoffs and bring up someone from the depth charts, like NORMAL TEAMS DO. And Halpern playing against Ovechkin? Briere? Gaborik? Crosby? Stamkos? HAHAHA.

Fans should let go of their attachment to players sometimes.

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This Drury talk is stupid. The guy is done, be it injuries or huge-contract-syndrome, even at 500k he isn't worth it.

edit2: You can't "dominate the AHL" as a defensive forward, Ryan White didn't do jack in Hamilton yet he's constantly penciled in. Pyatt did/does even less!

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What's the point of drafting and signing young players if we don't give them a shot. Madden will still be available after training camp, give Engqvist his shot dammit.
Engqvist still needs to prove he's too good for the AHL. If he dominates this season, he'll get his chance in the NHL. For now, might as well take advantage of his waiver ineligibility and acquire some NHL depth.

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His knees were gone and he slowed down a ton since the fist two months.

Winning organizations promote from within, the entire club mantra since 2003 has been to become a winning organization (like the Devils, Red Wings and former Avalanche), no point bringing back slowing-down vets just for easy roles like PK and faceoffs, you get Gomez and Eller to work on their faceoffs and bring up someone from the depth charts, like NORMAL TEAMS DO. And Halpern playing against Ovechkin? Briere? Gaborik? Crosby? Stamkos? HAHAHA.

Fans should let go of their attachment to players sometimes.

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This Drury talk is stupid. The guy is done, be it injuries or huge-contract-syndrome, even at 500k he isn't worth it.
His knees were fine, he was flying out there when they put him with Cammalleri and Plekanec.

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His knees were fine, he was flying out there when they put him with Cammalleri and Plekanec.
No he wasn't. He dragged that line down and Cammy never got to 20 goals.

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His knees were gone and he slowed down a ton since the first two months.

Winning organizations promote from within, the entire club mantra since 2003 has been to become a winning organization (like the Devils, Red Wings and former Avalanche), no point bringing back slowing-down vets just for easy roles like PK and faceoffs, you get Gomez and Eller to work on their faceoffs and bring up someone from the depth charts, like NORMAL TEAMS DO. And Halpern playing against Ovechkin? Briere? Gaborik? Crosby? Stamkos? HAHAHA.

Fans should let go of their attachment to players sometimes.

edit:

This Drury talk is stupid. The guy is done, be it injuries or huge-contract-syndrome, even at 500k he isn't worth it.

edit2: You can't "dominate the AHL" as a defensive forward, Ryan White didn't do jack in Hamilton yet he's constantly penciled in. Pyatt did/does even less!
This post has so many wrong things. I don't know where to start.

Halpern was perfect for his role. When they let him go, I thought the plan was to go for toughness instead of defense/sign Konopka. Now, I see that's a stupid move. I don't see Enqvist playing on a contending NHL team. I'd happily eat crow but I just don't see it.

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This post has so many wrong things. I don't know where to start.

Halpern was perfect for his role. When they let him go, I thought the plan was to go for toughness instead of defense/sign Konopka. Now, I see that's a stupid move. I don't see Enqvist playing on a contending NHL team. I'd happily eat crow but I just don't see it.
Halpern and Pyatt are both miles ahead of Engqvist and Engqvist is more expensive on the cap, too.

If we let these bottom line forwards go, I REALLY hope it was to sign upgrades. Otherwise it makes no sense. If there's no upgrade, and no cost saving...............

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So funny to even imagine Stamkos would be traded.....to us.
I think it's funny that people think there's a snowballs chance in hell he'd come here. This entire issue boils down to money, and people are dumb enough to believe he would then accept a trade to the one market in the league that would tax his income the most?

I've seen a few geniuses in the thread suggest he could "make up" that lost income with the endorsement deals he'd fetch in Montreal. This overlooks two very obvious things: he doesn't need to play in Montreal to land those kind of deals: he's getting them in the hockey backwater of Tampa Bay right now. And 2) his income from those endorsements would be harshly taxed in Quebec as well.

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Drury wasn't really able to play last year, you'd have to have the medical clearance to sign him to anything, and it sounds like his injury is permanent/chronic so I don't see the point in wasting a roster place on him.
Chris Drury couldn't have been bought out if he hadn't been given a clean bill of health.

You can't buy out a player who's injured.


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Chris Drury couldn't have been bought out if he hadn't been given a clean bill of health.

You can't buy out a player who's injured.
GREAT POINT

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To me that was a no brainer, I would have easily matched what Washington gave him maybe 100k more. He could win faceoffs, kill penalities, play against top lines and still had good production on offense.

The problem with Halpren is he is one hit away from being a Lindros.

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http://www.vestiaire.ca/forums/index...ic,5088.0.html

cunneyworth and robinson in the mix to replace Muller

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cunneyworth and robinson in the mix to replace Muller
Larry Robinson? Really?

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Larry Robinson? Really?
Moe is unavailable and Curly couldn't be reached for comment, so it must be Larry

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