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Rangers Prospect Poll: #14

View Poll Results: Who is the #14 Rangers prospect?
Steven Fogarty 17 24.29%
Mikhail Pashnin 5 7.14%
Michael St. Croix 1 1.43%
Dale Weise 6 8.57%
Shane McColgan 9 12.86%
Andrew Yogan 32 45.71%
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07-13-2011, 01:23 AM
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There's also a reason why the other 29 teams passed on him in the second round. Just saying... let's wait and see if the Rangers or the other 29 teams are right.
Because he came out of high school in Minnesota. Derek Stepan was a little off the board in '08 wouldn't you say? And hell, we were all devastated we passed on Jared freaking Staal for this tap dancing schmuck. The Rangers scouts saw a player who was not as polished as his counter parts around the world, but he has the size and skill to be a top notch player down the line.

And as for the Yogan- Weise post, I think people are a bit turned off by Weise's NHL performance. It is definitely premature, but even when I watched him in the AHL he was unimpressive. On paper he is perfect for a 3rd line role in the future, but I haven't seen the physical play or offensive play to indicate it. Yogan on the other hand is already a few inches larger then Weise, and has a lot more pure offensive potential. Obviously this season was a major set back, but if he can put it together he will be a lot more effective then Weise, who I honestly don't see playing on any 3rd line in the NHL anytime soon.

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07-13-2011, 01:47 AM
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Since when did Pashnin become a first pairing KHL defenseman? I could have sworn he was still getting sent down occasionally? Very possibly I am wrong though.

He was moved up to the team's first pairing towards the end of the season, the last 15-20 games. He was sent down to Red Army-2 only when Red Army-1 was eliminated and they decided to give the kid playoff experience in juniors. So he went down for experience, not for poor play.

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07-13-2011, 02:19 AM
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Because he came out of high school in Minnesota. Derek Stepan was a little off the board in '08 wouldn't you say? And hell, we were all devastated we passed on Jared freaking Staal for this tap dancing schmuck. The Rangers scouts saw a player who was not as polished as his counter parts around the world, but he has the size and skill to be a top notch player down the line.

And as for the Yogan- Weise post, I think people are a bit turned off by Weise's NHL performance. It is definitely premature, but even when I watched him in the AHL he was unimpressive. On paper he is perfect for a 3rd line role in the future, but I haven't seen the physical play or offensive play to indicate it. Yogan on the other hand is already a few inches larger then Weise, and has a lot more pure offensive potential. Obviously this season was a major set back, but if he can put it together he will be a lot more effective then Weise, who I honestly don't see playing on any 3rd line in the NHL anytime soon.
yeah, ive never been impressed with Weise...i dont get ppls infatuation with him.

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07-13-2011, 02:36 AM
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yeah, ive never been impressed with Weise...i dont get ppls infatuation with him.

I don't think anyone is infatuated with Weise. It's not as if someone wants him rated in the top 10, but when we are talking about prospects ranked around where our mud-round picks are, there is no reason he should not be getting votes.

He was drafted about the same as St. Croix and earlier than McColgan. Those two obviously did not improve since the draft, whereas Weise has show better than expected progress for a 4th round pick.

I am not saying he should necessarily go higher than them, but he should be in the same ballpark.

Also, Weise's stock went up since getting drafted in the 4th and Yogan's stock went down since he was drafted in the same round (due to his injuries).

Not sure how Yogan is so much higher thought of.

By the way, the person praising Weise the most is Gordie Clark. He sounds like a big fan. HF's Leslie also seems like a fan.

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07-13-2011, 03:16 AM
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Weise. Parlett.

I had been voting Yogan and he would be my second choice now. If Weise had been on board I would have been voting for him. Anyway it looks like Yogan is going to win this one going away. Yogan may have more upside than Weise. Missing last year--it's harder to valuate where he's going. Weise is fairly close to the NHL--though maybe in a Byers kind of way.

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Pashnin is the best of this bunch so he got my vote.

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I'm pretty certain that Pashnin did a mid-season stint in the lower Russian league.

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To me, I love the fact that we are in the 2nd-tier of prospects and we are still dealing with players (Yogan, Fogarty, McColgan) that could have top 2 line talent. They are all longshots, but it should be interesting to watch their development.

Yogan has to be the pick here based on this recent play. Add Parlett.

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You're right, the fact that he's playing in the BCHL instead of the USHL or the WHL means that he really has less potential than Clark and Gorton originally thought he did.

There is a reason that this kid was ranked as a high second to our staff, I'm sure we'll see those reasons come out this season, regardless of the league...
Thats fine with me, but the kid better be #1 in points in the league he's playing in. How many drafted kids play in such a low level league?
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Honestly, are you 12 years old?

Voted Yogan, have been since Lindberg was off the board. He has some upside but is clearly a project.
With your comment i'd ask you the same.

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I'm pretty certain that Pashnin did a mid-season stint in the lower Russian league.
The dude it beyond overrated.

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going with Yogan

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To me, I love the fact that we are in the 2nd-tier of prospects and we are still dealing with players (Yogan, Fogarty, McColgan) that could have top 2 line talent. They are all longshots, but it should be interesting to watch their development.

Yogan has to be the pick here based on this recent play. Add Parlett.

- I haven't seen any scouts say that Yoggi has top-6 potential.
- I also doubt that Fogarty has top-6 potential. All the scouting reports say that he's a gritty forward who hits hard and scores garbage goals.
- McColgan has top-6 potential, but that's because he's an offense-first player. He definitely has no bottom-6 potential since he can only play on the top two lines. Seeing as he was just drafted in the 5th round, it seems fair to say that his value is just that - a 5th rounder.

Hopefully in the next year, either St. Croix or McColgan take their game to the next level and become top end prospects. If one of them pans out, it will be huge for the Rangers.

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Here's a scouting report on Pashnin from RussianProspects.com

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TALENT ANALYSIS

A reliable defenseman, who doesn't stand out in any particular cathegory, but also has no obvious holes...a capable skater, also backwards...good offensive instincts, plays a good two-way game without exaggerating in joining the rush...okay passing game, isn't overly creative in the offensive zone, but rarely makes glaring mistakes...has a hard low shot which should use (and perhaps train too) more often...average puckhandling, can bring up the puck if not pressured...can catch up with forwards thanks to his good skating...has to bulk up and to gain experience...


NHL OUTLOOK

Pashnin is an interesting defenseman that broke out in the 08-09 season, where he played in the WJC and was the first overall pick in the first-in-history KHL draft. Despite these good premises he remains a long shot towards the NHL for two reasons. The first is his not big size, which can hurt him in the more demanding NA style, and the second is his overall level of play. Being not a specialist nor a special talent, he seems to lack that extra gear required to European players in order to have a successful NHL career. But a lot can change in the next 2-3 years.
However, since he was drafted at which time this report was written, Pashnin went from 5'11 to nearly 6'1 and gained about 15 pounds too.

That said, he does need to establish himself as a top KHL defenseman next year. He made his way onto the top pairing towards the end of the season, and he needs to prove this year that he belongs there. He will be 23 at the end of the next season, and if he can't be a top defenseman in an AHL-quality league, then he will never wear the Ranger uniform.

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The dude it beyond overrated.
How is Pash overrated when we are at #14 and he has 4 votes?

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How is Pash overrated when we are at #14 and he has 4 votes?

He's overrated by *some* people. There is still the belief that if he was a first overall pick in the KHL draft, he's the best player in Russia when in reality the KHL draft = NHL waiver draft.

That said, he is also now beginning to be underrated by some players as a reverse reaction to his being overrated by others. He's not a crappy prospect. Not a blue-chipper, but not a waste of space either. He may well become a third pairing hard-hitting NHL blueliner.

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