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07-13-2011, 04:13 PM
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Question becomes is he a liability at even strength, and is his point production enough to justify that.

I don't feel that another year in the OHL is going to do anything for this kid, though.
He has nothing left to prove in the OHL. He dominates down there because he is simply better then most of the players in the league. He either needs to be in the AHL or if he earns it, the NHL.

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Question becomes is he a liability at even strength, and is his point production enough to justify that.

I don't feel that another year in the OHL is going to do anything for this kid, though.
Only thing another year in the O would do is possibly boost his confidence and his stats. He'd provide depth to the second powerplay unit. If he can be on the PP with Del Zotto as his set up man, I'd be really happy.

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He has nothing left to prove in the OHL. He dominates down there because he is simply better then most of the players in the league. He either needs to be in the AHL or if he earns it, the NHL.
The AHL is out of question this year though. He can't go to the AHL unfortunately. He can only go back to juniors or jump up to the pros.

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Which, to me, along with our 4th RW 'gap" is all the more reason why he should get a real look.

Gaborik, Callahan, Prust are locks. That other RW spot could go to anyone, including an off wing Fedotenko, Zucc, or even Thomas. Thomas instantly fills several teams needs in that he

A. Is a goal scorer
B. Is a RWer
C. Has a small cap hit

He should play big minutes in just about every one of our preseason games.

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And you know torts, not afraid to give these kids are hard look

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The AHL is out of question this year though. He can't go to the AHL unfortunately. He can only go back to juniors or jump up to the pros.
Ah I forgot about the age rule

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07-13-2011, 04:33 PM
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Which, to me, along with our 4th RW 'gap" is all the more reason why he should get a real look.

Gaborik, Callahan, Prust are locks. That other RW spot could go to anyone, including an off wing Fedotenko, Zucc, or even Thomas. Thomas instantly fills several teams needs in that he

A. Is a goal scorer
B. Is a RWer
C. Has a small cap hit

He should play big minutes in just about every one of our preseason games.
Agreed. Right off the bat I'd place him with Stepan though. If both can develop chemistry, I'd be happy. Young players like working with Stepan, it would be awesome if Thomas did.

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Agreed. Right off the bat I'd place him with Stepan though. If both can develop chemistry, I'd be happy. Young players like working with Stepan, it would be awesome if Thomas did.
Well, with a line like that right away you've got to put a defensively solid player like Fedotenko on the LW. I'm not sure Avery would cut it. But if our roster is

Wolski-Richards-Gaborik
Dubi-AA-Cally
Feds-Stepan-Thomas
Rupp-Boyle-Prust

With Thomas's presence there signifying he is ready to pot maybe 10-15 goals on the power play for us then yeah I think we could be a darkhorse team.

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Well, with a line like that right away you've got to put a defensively solid player like Fedotenko on the LW. I'm not sure Avery would cut it. But if our roster is

Wolski-Richards-Gaborik
Dubi-AA-Cally
Feds-Stepan-Thomas
Rupp-Boyle-Prust

With Thomas's presence there signifying he is ready to pot maybe 10-15 goals on the power play for us then yeah I think we could be a darkhorse team.
I'd be really pleased with those lines. They could do some serious damage.

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Thomas specifically mentions Jeff Skinner in the article, another small goalscorer the same age as Thomas. Look at the success Skinner had, Thomas is likely at a very similar, or even slightly better development level then Skinner was at draft day. Both are built very solid, although Thomas is faster. Skinner is incredibly shifty though and transfers his weight around perfectly, it's so unique.

I think he will definitely get 9 games at the minimum.

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Thomas specifically mentions Jeff Skinner in the article, another small goalscorer the same age as Thomas. Look at the success Skinner had, Thomas is likely at a very similar, or even slightly better development level then Skinner was at draft day. Both are built very solid, although Thomas is faster. Skinner is incredibly shifty though and transfers his weight around perfectly, it's so unique.

I think he will definitely get 9 games at the minimum.
I hope he gets his 9 games. I think he could step in and put some pucks in the net rather quickly.

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Thomas specifically mentions Jeff Skinner in the article, another small goalscorer the same age as Thomas. Look at the success Skinner had, Thomas is likely at a very similar, or even slightly better development level then Skinner was at draft day. Both are built very solid, although Thomas is faster. Skinner is incredibly shifty though and transfers his weight around perfectly, it's so unique.

I think he will definitely get 9 games at the minimum.
Skinner is a little bigger and he put up 50 goals in his draft year. He probably isn't as fast as Thomas, but IMO, Skinner is a better skater. He really uses his edges well.

I think Thomas will be good, but I'm not ready to say he'll come in and have the same type of success.

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Question becomes is he a liability at even strength, and is his point production enough to justify that.

I don't feel that another year in the OHL is going to do anything for this kid, though.
Again, I don't get this mentality. He's nothing more then a goal-scorer at this point. He couldn't learn how to play a better defensive game and learn how to use his teammates more effectively in juniors?

I have high hopes for Thomas, but I'm worried that we are setting up unrealistic expectations for him so early in his career. He still has a ways to go.

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Again, I don't get this mentality. He's nothing more then a goal-scorer at this point. He couldn't learn how to play a better defensive game and learn how to use his teammates more effectively in juniors?

I have high hopes for Thomas, but I'm worried that we are setting up unrealistic expectations for him so early in his career. He still has a ways to go.
I think he should get a long hard look in camp and then we can let Torts decide if he is ready for NHL level play

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Don't know if this was posted yet, but for anyone who wants to watch, here are his 2009-2010 highlights ( I want the ****ing 2011 highlights god damit! )



Here's to making the Rangers this season kid!

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Don't know if this was posted yet, but for anyone who wants to watch, here are his 2009-2010 highlights ( I want the ****ing 2011 highlights god damit! )



Here's to making the Rangers this season kid!
I really hope he makes the team, he has a real nose for the net

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Question becomes is he a liability at even strength, and is his point production enough to justify that.

I don't feel that another year in the OHL is going to do anything for this kid, though.
the concern with keeping thomas is can he physically handle playing against nhl dmen. you don't want him getting hurt and you don't want his development hurt by rushing him into a situation he isn't ready for. we'll get a clearer picture during preseason when he gets to face nhl/ahl players but for a 19 year old you have to think long term and whats best for him.

as for going back to juniors, i'm not sure he'll gain much from scoring 50g again but he can work on other parts of his game. but the biggest thing he could benefit from is adding size. he says he gained 7lbs so if he goes back to juniors and returns next summer up another 7-10lbs then he'd be alot closer to an 'acceptable' playing weight.

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the concern with keeping thomas is can he physically handle playing against nhl dmen. you don't want him getting hurt and you don't want his development hurt by rushing him into a situation he isn't ready for. we'll get a clearer picture during preseason when he gets to face nhl/ahl players but for a 19 year old you have to think long term and whats best for him.

as for going back to juniors, i'm not sure he'll gain much from scoring 50g again but he can work on other parts of his game. but the biggest thing he could benefit from is adding size. he says he gained 7lbs so if he goes back to juniors and returns next summer up another 7-10lbs then he'd be alot closer to an 'acceptable' playing weight.
I agree with seeing if he is ready for NHL physicality, but if he makes the team out of camp, then they have 9 games to decide whether he can actually handle the NHL regular season's pace

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I agree with seeing if he is ready for NHL physicality, but if he makes the team out of camp, then they have 9 games to decide whether he can actually handle the NHL regular season's pace
you can use those 9 games to decide if you think he's close but aren't 100% sure. but imo if he is on the opening night roster it is because they plan for him to be here the whole year. if he really struggles early maybe they would change their mind and send him back, but i don't see them keeping him with the intent of sending him back after 9 games.

hopefully he tears it up at traverse city and then in preseason/camp forces them to keep him

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you can use those 9 games to decide if you think he's close but aren't 100% sure. but imo if he is on the opening night roster it is because they plan for him to be here the whole year. if he really struggles early maybe they would change their mind and send him back, but i don't see them keeping him with the intent of sending him back after 9 games.

hopefully he tears it up at traverse city and then in preseason/camp forces them to keep him
Well if they keep him, he is going to have to play a top-6 role. He definately does not have the body to play a bottom 6 role. Unless they put him with Steps and Fedotenko and play their third line as another "second line"

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Well if they keep him, he is going to have to play a top-6 role. He definately does not have the body to play a bottom 6 role. Unless they put him with Steps and Fedotenko and play their third line as another "second line"
i think on a line with stepan and fedotenko is exactly where he'd go

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i think on a line with stepan and fedotenko is exactly where he'd go
Probably. He would not be ready to take on first line duties right off the bat. Hopefully him and Steps gel together nicely and feed off each other in the offensive zone

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