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07-01-2011, 05:50 PM
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Yep, there it is. Just barely made it.

Still hard to believe how much a priority it is for the Avs to save money, than to do what's best for the team, even long term.
I just hope that we do indeed get Galiardi signed. He will be a very very good player for us for a long time.

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I just hope that we do indeed get Galiardi signed. He will be a very very good player for us for a long time.
I think so too, but something tells me the Avs don't agree. Seems to have been lots of smoke about him being moved. Maybe that's just because he's one of the better assets we would have, and teams were asking for him in trade talks.

Still, the Avs have had history of undervaluing these types of players IMO. Hahl, Barnaby, Hendricks. Gali is better than all of them, but they view these type of versataile gritty two way guys as extremely replaceable, and then turn around and replace them with extremely sub-par versions.

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We now have 6 players signed past next season

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Still, the Avs have had history of undervaluing these types of players IMO. Hahl, Barnaby, Hendricks. Gali is better than all of them, but they view these type of versataile gritty two way guys as extremely replaceable, and then turn around and replace them with extremely sub-par versions.
I hope not. Galiardi will be very important for this team moving forward with his versatility.

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I think so too, but something tells me the Avs don't agree. Seems to have been lots of smoke about him being moved. Maybe that's just because he's one of the better assets we would have, and teams were asking for him in trade talks.

Still, the Avs have had history of undervaluing these types of players IMO. Hahl, Barnaby, Hendricks. Gali is better than all of them, but they view these type of versataile gritty two way guys as extremely replaceable, and then turn around and replace them with extremely sub-par versions.
The "smoke" following him has been from that darn trade rumor involving Stastny to LA. I really hope the team realizes how important of an asset Gali is and keeps him in the burgundy and blue.

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I think they are realizing that grit and heart are necessary qualities.

Galiardi has both, with a bit of a scoring touch on top.

Hopefully that scoring touch is enough to make them opt to keep him around.

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So what are we, still ~5M away from the floor?

I guess we don't have to sign any more UFAs and can just re-sign Galiardi, Wilson, Porter & Cumiskey to bloated contracts but we still should have around 2M to sign someone else. As others have said, I want another D man in the form of Kaberle if we aren't intend in hugging the floor as tight as possible.

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So what are we, still ~5M away from the floor?

I guess we don't have to sign any more UFAs and can just re-sign Galiardi, Wilson, Porter & Cumiskey to bloated contracts but we still should have around 2M to sign someone else. As others have said, I want another D man in the form of Kaberle if we aren't intend in hugging the floor as tight as possible.
With Landeskog and the RFAs we'll hit the floor, but it will be with 23 players. Not sure you really want to carry 23 players the whole season.

It wouldn't surprise me to see one player with decent salary ($3M or so) added. That way we can have 21 players up here.

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With Landeskog and the RFAs we'll hit the floor, but it will be with 23 players. Not sure you really want to carry 23 players the whole season.

It wouldn't surprise me to see one player with decent salary ($3M or so) added. That way we can have 21 players up here.
Teams carry 23 players all the time. You don't want to be stuck having to make an emergency callup or play one man short if a guy has a freak injury or gets really sick before a game. Plus you usually have a guy or two nursing injuries but not on the IR. Those guys end up being the scratches a lot of times while the regular scratches are in the lineup.

They should be a shade over the cap with a full 23 man roster. I'm just only keeping the NHL proven guys on the big roster, rather than trying to guess who'll make it out of camp.

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My question is...depending on the rfa salaries...there's only a couple of combinations of players that will bring us over the floor. They might have that line-up opening night, but what about a couple nights later when someone isn't performing up to par etc and they call up someone a few hundred thousand cheaper? Then they drop below the floor.

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My question is...depending on the rfa salaries...there's only a couple of combinations of players that will bring us over the floor. They might have that line-up opening night, but what about a couple nights later when someone isn't performing up to par etc and they call up someone a few hundred thousand cheaper? Then they drop below the floor.
They'll have injuries soon enough, and that's not just a shot at the health of the Avs. They'll carry the prorated cap hits of callups and guys that are on the IR or scratched, so it'll start to add up enough to cover the difference of calling up a cheaper guy for a few games. They won't be filing for any LTIR either if a serious injury happens to occur.

Pretty much the only time they'll need to worry about squeezing above the cap floor would be the beginning of the season it seems.

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11/12 Avs Roster Under ContractCompensationCap Number
Paul Stastny$6,600,000$6,600,000
Jan Hejda$3,250,000$3,250,000
Matt Duchene$900,000$3,200,000
Kyle Quincey$3,250,000$3,125,000
Milan Hejduk$2,600,000$3,000,000
Semyon Varlamov$2,500,000$2,833,333
Erik Johnson$3,000,000$2,600,000
David Jones$2,500,000$2,500,000
Peter Mueller$2,500,000$2,000,000
Ryan O'Byrne$1,800,000$1,800,000
Matt Hunwick$1,550,000$1,550,000
Jay McClement$1,500,000$1,450,000
Ryan Wilson$1,275,000$1,275,000
J.S. Giguerre$1,250,000$1,250,000
Chuck Kobasew$1,250,000$1,250,000
Shane O'Brien$1,100,000$1,100,000
Cody McLeod$900,000$1,033,333
Daniel Winnik$1,000,000$950,000
Ryan O'Reilly$900,000$900,000
Kevin Porter$850,000$850,000
Brandon Yip$750,000$725,000
T.J. Galiardi$700,000$700,000
   
Tom Preissing Buyout$916,667$916,667
Total$42,741,667$44,858,333


11/12 Avs Prospects and System Players Under ContractCompensationBonus IncentivesCap Number
Joey Hishon$900,000$300,000$1,200,000
Cameron Gaunce$875,000$0$875,000
Trevor Cann$612,500$275,000$875,000
Michael Carman$610,000$240,000$850,000
Mark Olver$610,000$240,000$850,000
Stefan Elliott$790,000$0$843,333
Calvin Pickard$790,000$0$843,333
Ryan Stoa$803,250$0$803,250
Jonas Holos$625,000$0$785,000
Zach Cohen$575,000$160,000$735,000
Tyson Barrie$615,000$0$715,000
Brad Malone$600,000$0$687,500
Joakim Lindstrom$600,000$0$600,000
Joel Chouinard$575,000$0$566,667
Luke Walker$575,000$0$563,333
David Van Der Gulik$525,000$0$525,000
Greg Mauldin$525,000$0$525,000
Patrick Bordeleau$525,000$0$525,000
David Liffiton$525,000$0$525,000
Justin Mercier$525,000$0$525,000
Patrick Rissmiller$525,000$0$525,000
Cedrick Desjardins$650,000$0$650,000
Evan Brophey   


So with the recent signings they now have 22 of 23 NHL regulars under contract and Landeskog and Cumiskey left to be signed, with a current cap hit of $44,858,333. This means a few things could end up playing out.

One of the regulars will either be traded or sent down to make room for Lando and Cumiskey. The early candidtaes for demotion would be one of Yip, Porter, Kobasew, Wilson, Hunwick, and Cumiskey. (Likely)

If Hishon makes the team, than two NHL regulars will be either demoted or traded.

Elliott and Barrie appear to have their work cut out to make the big clup with 8 NHL regular defenseman ahead of them, and guys like Holos, Gaunce, and Chouinard have even less hope of starting with the Avs.

Swedish import Joakim Lindstrom has an equally tough job to make the team as a forward.

Cumiskey is not re-signed and holds out (Not Likely).

Lando's cap hit will have to be at least $3,441,667 to reach the cap floor as it is, and without Cumiskey (Likely).


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11/12 Avs Roster Under ContractCompensationCap Number
Paul Stastny$6,600,000$6,600,000
Jan Hejda$3,250,000$3,250,000
Matt Duchene$900,000$3,200,000
Kyle Quincey$3,250,000$3,125,000
Milan Hejduk$2,600,000$3,000,000
Semyon Varlamov$2,500,000$2,833,333
Erik Johnson$3,000,000$2,600,000
David Jones$2,500,000$2,500,000
Peter Mueller$2,500,000$2,000,000
Ryan O'Byrne$1,800,000$1,800,000
Matt Hunwick$1,550,000$1,550,000
Jay McClement$1,500,000$1,450,000
Ryan Wilson$1,275,000$1,275,000
J.S. Giguerre$1,250,000$1,250,000
Chuck Kobasew$1,250,000$1,250,000
Shane O'Brien$1,100,000$1,100,000
Cody McLeod$900,000$1,033,333
Daniel Winnik$1,000,000$950,000
Ryan O'Reilly$900,000$900,000
Kevin Porter$850,000$850,000
Brandon Yip$750,000$725,000
T.J. Galiardi$700,000$700,000
   
Tom Preissing Buyout$916,667$916,667
Total$42,741,667$44,858,333


11/12 Avs Prospects and System Players Under ContractCompensationBonus IncentivesCap Number
Joey Hishon$900,000$300,000$1,200,000
Cameron Gaunce$875,000$0$875,000
Trevor Cann$612,500$275,000$875,000
Michael Carman$610,000$240,000$850,000
Mark Olver$610,000$240,000$850,000
Stefan Elliott$790,000$0$843,333
Calvin Pickard$790,000$0$843,333
Ryan Stoa$803,250$0$803,250
Jonas Holos$625,000$0$785,000
Zach Cohen$575,000$160,000$735,000
Tyson Barrie$615,000$0$715,000
Brad Malone$600,000$0$687,500
Joakim Lindstrom$600,000$0$600,000
Joel Chouinard$575,000$0$566,667
Luke Walker$575,000$0$563,333
David Van Der Gulik$525,000$0$525,000
Greg Mauldin$525,000$0$525,000
Patrick Bordeleau$525,000$0$525,000
David Liffiton$525,000$0$525,000
Justin Mercier$525,000$0$525,000
Patrick Rissmiller$525,000$0$525,000
Cedrick Desjardins$650,000$0$650,000
Evan Brophey   


So with the recent signings they now have 22 of 23 NHL regulars under contract and Landeskog and Cumiskey left to be signed, with a current cap hit of $44,858,333. This means a few things could end up playing out.

One of the regulars will either be traded or sent down to make room for Lando and Cumiskey. The early candidtaes for demotion would be one of Yip, Porter, Kobasew, Wilson, Hunwick, and Cumiskey. (Likely)

If Hishon makes the team, than two NHL regulars will be either demoted or traded.

Elliott and Barrie appear to have their work cut out to make the big clup with 8 NHL regular defenseman ahead of them, and guys like Holos, Gaunce, and Chouinard have even less hope of starting with the Avs.

Swedish import Joakim Lindstrom has an equally tough job to make the team as a forward.

Cumiskey is not re-signed and holds out (Not Likely).

Lando's cap hit will have to be at least $3,441,667 to reach the cap floor as it is, and without Cumiskey (Likely).
Lando's cap hit will be identical to RNH. Which I believe is 3.7 or something?

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Lando's cap hit will be identical to RNH. Which I believe is 3.7 or something?
That's unlikely. The number two pick doesn't usually get number one money. Especially since RNH was the clearcut number one, as opposed to recent years where it was a two or a three horse race.

RNH - $3.775 M

Hall - $3.75 M
Seguin - $3.55 M

Tavares - $3.75 M
Hedman - $3.5 M
Duchene - $3.2 M

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That's unlikely. The number two pick doesn't usually get number one money. Especially since RNH was the clearcut number one, as opposed to recent years where it was a two or a three horse race.

RNH - $3.775 M

Hall - $3.75 M
Seguin - $3.55 M

Tavares - $3.75 M
Hedman - $3.5 M
Duchene - $3.2 M
True, first overall is the only one who gets the max. RNH got a lil' more than Hall and Tavares because the base salary went up this year to 925k, was 900k in 09/10. I would bet money Landeskog get Seguin's contract +25k = 3.575m

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FORWARDS
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Paul Stastny C ($6.600m) / David Jones ($2.500m)
Peter Mueller ($2.000m) / Matt Duchene ($3.200m) / Milan Hejduk A ($3.000m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.700m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($0.900m) / Joakim Lindstrom ($0.600m)
Daniel Winnik ($0.950m) / Jay McClement ($1.450m) / Chuck Kobasew ($1.250m)
Cody McLeod ($1.033m) / Kevin Porter ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Erik Johnson A ($2.600m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.125m) / Ryan O'Byrne ($1.800m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.550m) / Shane O'Brien ($1.100m)
Ryan Wilson ($1.275m)

GOALTENDERS
Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m) / Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.250m)

BUYOUTS: Tom Preissing ($0.916m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $48,308,333;
CAP SPACE: $15,991,667 ... a whole $8333 over the floor

Reserve List (currently 25, max. 27 (Roster+Reserve=50 max.))

F = Yip, Hishon, Carmen, Olver, Stoa, Cohen, Malone, Walker, Van der Gulik, Rissmiller, Mauldin, Mercier, Bordeleau, Brophey
D = Cumiskey, Gaunce, Elliott, Holos, Barrie, Chouinard, Liffiton, Siemens
G = Cann, Pickard, Desjardins


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Roster (23)

FORWARDS
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Paul Stastny C ($6.600m) / David Jones ($2.500m)
Peter Mueller ($2.000m) / Matt Duchene ($3.200m) / Milan Hejduk A ($3.000m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.700m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($0.900m) / Joakim Lindstrom ($0.600m)
Daniel Winnik ($0.950m) / Jay McClement ($1.450m) / Chuck Kobasew ($1.250m)
Cody McLeod ($1.033m) / Kevin Porter ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Erik Johnson A ($2.600m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.125m) / Ryan O'Byrne ($1.800m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.550m) / Shane O'Brien ($1.100m)
Ryan Wilson ($1.275m)

GOALTENDERS
Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m) / Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.250m)

BUYOUTS: Tom Preissing ($0.916m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $48,308,333;
CAP SPACE: $15,991,667 ... a whole $8333 over the floor

Reserve List (currently 24, max. 27 (Roster+Reserve=50 max.))

F = Yip, Hishon, Carmen, Olver, Stoa, Cohen, Malone, Walker, Van der Gulik, Rissmiller, Mauldin, Mercier, Bordeleau
D = Cumiskey, Gaunce, Elliott, Holos, Barrie, Chouinard, Liffiton, Siemens
G = Cann, Pickard, Desjardins

*Currently at 45 roster, I added Landeskog and Siemens
Why is Siemens on that list when it's highly unlikely he'll get a contract unless he makes the team out of camp?

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Why is Siemens on that list when it's highly unlikely he'll get a contract unless he makes the team out of camp?
I assumed he's going to get an ELC SR. Same as RNH #1, Zibanejad #6, Brodin #10, Baertschi #13. I doubt they all make their teams out of camp. The SR means if he doesn't play more than 10 games this year with the Avs, the contract will be delayed a year. It could happen again next year (most likely), so his ELC won't really start till 2013 season begins. I'm not exactly sure how unsigned drafted players go during the season into next off-season. I do know though that if he isn't tendered and accepts a ELC before a certain date, he can go back into the draft next year .. Well, I think that's how the Tim Erixon issue went down with Calgary last month, he didn't sign, so they traded him away. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

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I assumed he's going to get an ELC SR. Same as RNH #1, Zibanejad #6, Brodin #10, Baertschi #13. I doubt they all make their teams out of camp. The SR means if he doesn't play more than 10 games this year with the Avs, the contract will be delayed a year. It could happen again next year (most likely), so his ELC won't really start till 2013 season begins. I'm not exactly sure how unsigned drafted players go during the season into next off-season. I do know though that if he isn't tendered and accepts a ELC before a certain date, he can go back into the draft next year .. Well, I think that's how the Tim Erixon issue went down with Calgary last month, he didn't sign, so they traded him away. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
He has two years to be signed.

I would be VERY shocked if they even offered him a deal this summer. Let him work for it.

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Roster (23)

FORWARDS
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Paul Stastny C ($6.600m) / David Jones ($2.500m)
Peter Mueller ($2.000m) / Matt Duchene ($3.200m) / Milan Hejduk A ($3.000m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.700m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($0.900m) / Joakim Lindstrom ($0.600m)
Daniel Winnik ($0.950m) / Jay McClement ($1.450m) / Chuck Kobasew ($1.250m)
Cody McLeod ($1.033m) / Kevin Porter ($0.850m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Erik Johnson A ($2.600m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.125m) / Ryan O'Byrne ($1.800m)
Matt Hunwick ($1.550m) / Shane O'Brien ($1.100m)
Ryan Wilson ($1.275m)

GOALTENDERS
Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m) / Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.250m)

BUYOUTS: Tom Preissing ($0.916m)

SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $48,308,333;
CAP SPACE: $15,991,667 ... a whole $8333 over the floor

Reserve List (currently 24, max. 27 (Roster+Reserve=50 max.))

F = Yip, Hishon, Carmen, Olver, Stoa, Cohen, Malone, Walker, Van der Gulik, Rissmiller, Mauldin, Mercier, Bordeleau
D = Cumiskey, Gaunce, Elliott, Holos, Barrie, Chouinard, Liffiton, Siemens
G = Cann, Pickard, Desjardins

*Currently at 45 roster, I added Landeskog and Siemens
Well I guess there is no chance to see Elliott or Barie make the opening's night 23 players roster, we would be under the cap.

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Well I guess there is no chance to see Elliott or Barie make the opening's night 23 players roster, we would be under the cap.
They could make it if Hishon and his 1.2 million dollar cap hit makes the team, over Porter, Galiardi or Lindstrom. Everybody else on the reserve list makes less than 850k.

The problem with that is Galiardi and Lindstrom should be playing, so it would better for Hishon to play top minutes in the minors than be the 13/14th forward IMO.

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I agree, very unlikely, so no room for Elliott or Barie, strange cause I thought one of them will make the team

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True, first overall is the only one who gets the max. RNH got a lil' more than Hall and Tavares because the base salary went up this year to 925k, was 900k in 09/10. I would bet money Landeskog get Seguin's contract +25k = 3.575m
Looks like you hit the nail on the head.

I'll go ahead and make an exception and add Lando to the list of roster players despite being a rookie, since it would be an absolute shock if he didn't make the team.

The Avs have now made the cap floor by a hair with the most likely projectable lineup at $48,443,333.

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Just was interested in finding out about our cap/contract situation for next year and ran across this info for next year -

UFA -
Hejduk
Jones
McClement
McLeod
Winnik
Yip
Lindstrom
Hunwick
O'Brien

RFA -
Olver
Galiardi
Porter
Quincey
Wilson
Johnson
O'Reilly
Mueller
Duchene


I think they may non-tender Mueller (depending on this season), Porter and maybe Olver.........

Lots of potential UFA's - I'd hope they could keep Winnik, McClement and Hejduk if he wants to come back. As for all the rest of those guys, I'd take a wait and see approach - even David Jones.

Unfortunately for all, Kobesaw is actually signed past this year. I have a feeling next year he could be our goat.

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Yeah I was playing around with different cap scenarios earlier today, and it seems that a lot of our seemingly huge cap space will disappear just with extending some of our key pieces.

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