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07-13-2011, 02:59 AM
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I expect this time next year were all *****ing how much we paid for this guy.

Not often does a team take on a aged "Superstar" and have it pay off.
However, he's not paid like superstar, if you noticed, so he doesn't need to play like superstar for the Flyers. And he's better than Leino (really?) any day, I have no doubts about that.

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However, he's not paid like superstar, if you noticed, so he doesn't need to play like superstar for the Flyers. And he's better than Leino (really?) any day, I have no doubts about that.
Jagr because of who he is will want to play like a superstar. That is why he chose the Flyers over the Penguins and Red Wings. He will get more responsibilities on this team and much more icetime and powerplay time. I think he only took 3.5 million as opposed to 4.5 million that Selanne was making and will most likely make if he decides to play one more year or the 6 million Lidstrom signed for. Jagr took this money and is motivated to prove to everyone that doubted him that he can still play the game at a very high level.

People seem to think the Flyers have regressed. I don't think so. If anyone remembers in 2005-06, the Rangers were picked to finish dead last in the NHL and on opening day of training camp Jagr said that he would play like an MVP and help the Rangers make the playoffs. He did good on both promises.

I see Jagr doing something similar with the Flyers, but that's just me.

This team btw is better than the 2005-06 Rangers. They have a bonifide All-star defenseman and they have a good core of young offensive players. Their defensive core isn't too bad either.

I will say it again, I don't expect anything less than PPG and 90-100 isn't out of reach either.

As Czechmate25 mentioned, Jagr isn't coming back to the NHL to embarrass himself and score less than 50 Pts, he has only scored less than 70 twice, once as an 18 year old rookie with limited icetime and then the following season with 69 Pts because he only played 70 games (was still close to a PPG).


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I'm going to make a bold prediction, only partly out of homerism: 40 goals, 80 points. He increases his production over his last stint in the NHL (when he was on a terrible Rangers team) and the KHL who's big ice is not suited to his puck protection game. Yeah, yeah, he's 39, but this is Jaromir Friggen Jagr we are talking about. Probably the best European forward ever to play in the NHL, and despite his age, his health is fine. No major injuries and is as strong as he ever was.

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Even at his age, am I the only one who thinks wrist shot is still ****ing unreal?

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Even at his age, am I the only one who thinks wrist shot is still ****ing unreal?
I think his wrist shot is wicked as well but a lot of people seem to have forgotten what type of player Jagr is.

I guess 3 years in the KHL have hindered his speed, shooting, passing, his health, he's shrunken in size, he's shorter, weaker and he's going to be a 40 Pts player and miss about 20 games.

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I think I'm feeling 29 goals, 36 assists, for 65 points. I think he's gonna be very, very good.

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I think I'm feeling 29 goals, 36 assists, for 65 points. I think he's gonna be very, very good.
I will go out on a limb and say he hits these numbers by his 55-60th game.

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I think the assist totals will be around the 50-60 but I think he will score more than 30 goals, that's just me though.

I said it in the thread where there were Jagr quotes and how he compared the KHL vs the NHL and I will say it again:

I have a gut feeling that Jagr is going to have one more of those "Jagr type dominant" seasons.


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Put it this way, if jagr plays half as well as he used to in the wachovia center then we are in for something special. Guy was a god damn flyer killer

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So you think Jagr is going to be the most bad ass 39 year old since Nick Lidstrom? Laser babies and their rage aside, I don't know....

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So you think Jagr is going to be the most bad ass 39 year old since Nick Lidstrom? Laser babies and their rage aside, I don't know....
I'm more inclined to think that he'll score 80 points and I'll still hate him after the season is over. I've never seen him as a winning player. He'll still score a ton.

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I'm going to make a bold prediction, only partly out of homerism: 40 goals, 80 points. He increases his production over his last stint in the NHL (when he was on a terrible Rangers team) and the KHL who's big ice is not suited to his puck protection game. Yeah, yeah, he's 39, but this is Jaromir Friggen Jagr we are talking about. Probably the best European forward ever to play in the NHL, and despite his age, his health is fine. No major injuries and is as strong as he ever was.
"i feel like im 18 again, no 16!"
to quote the man....lol only in russia is a 16 yr old boy the prime of your life lol

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Jagr's just never struck me as the kind of player who would come back to the NHL and take less money than he could've gotten in the KHL just to be a shell of his former self.

I think Jagr came back to put on a show and prove that Jagr @ 39 still > than 99% of the league. I'd honestly be kind of shocked if Jagr doesn't pot a PPG and around 35-40 goals.

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07-15-2011, 07:19 AM
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Jagr's just never struck me as the kind of player who would come back to the NHL and take less money than he could've gotten in the KHL just to be a shell of his former self.

I think Jagr came back to put on a show and prove that Jagr @ 39 still > than 99% of the league. I'd honestly be kind of shocked if Jagr doesn't pot a PPG and around 35-40 goals.
I tend to agree with this.

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Jagr was so dominant when he played it was scary. I'm just glad i get the chance to watch him wreak havok in a flyers jersey for a change. The guy is one of the greatest players to ever play teh game.

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I think Jagr will effectively replace Jeff Carter's production and expect similar points from him 60-65 range. Anything more is just a bonus AFAIC.

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Not to mention for the last 3 years Jagr was playing on a bigger ice surface, skating more than he probably ever did. I'm sure it helped make him a better skater than he was, in the very least it should help him maintain good skating skills into his late 30s/early 40s. He's probably in better shape than he was before he left and he's always been a wizard with the puck. Def. see him getting 65+ points. Be ecstatic if he got 90+.

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He's going to score 10 goals, be a healthy scratch on most nights, he's going to be injured all the time and won't score more than 30 Pts.

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He's easily going to score 75 goals and 50 assists. Additionally, he'll be first unit PK and will play the full PP which will only last 10 seconds cause the Flyers will score immediately. And if Bryz gets sick or injured during a game, as Bob or MFL are stretching and getting ready, Lavi will rip their pads and skates off them and hand them to Jagr who will undoubtedly get the team's first shutout in over a season. He will out-interesting Kimmo and will not only have his own commercials but will also star in a mini-series...as himself, of course.

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He's easily going to score 75 goals and 50 assists. Additionally, he'll be first unit PK and will play the full PP which will only last 10 seconds cause the Flyers will score immediately. And if Bryz gets sick or injured during a game, as Bob or MFL are stretching and getting ready, Lavi will rip their pads and skates off them and hand them to Jagr who will undoubtedly get the team's first shutout in over a season. He will out-interesting Kimmo and will not only have his own commercials but will also star in a mini-series...as himself, of course.
I agree with all except what's in Bold.

He's never had more goals than assists. He's no Ovechkin or Bure. It will never happen.

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If we are lucky, Jagr gets 60pts.

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It's funny to see the two different camps.

One camp who thinks Jagr at best will get 60 Pts.

The other camp thinks Jagr will get 30 + goals and be a PPG player easily.

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It's funny to see the two different camps.

One camp who thinks Jagr at best will get 60 Pts.

The other camp thinks Jagr will get 30 + goals and be a PPG player easily.
He's 39 in arguably a much different NHL then the one he left only 3 years ago. It doesnt even have to be his play, I can see him missing games due to injury too.

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He's 39 in arguably a much different NHL then the one he left only 3 years ago. It doesnt even have to be his play, I can see him missing games due to injury too.
This talk of the NHL being much different is overplayed. It's the exact same as it was in 2007-08.

Jagr played in a much tougher era during the "Dead Puck Era". There was far more obstruction and fighting and roughing than there is now.

Penalties are called easily now and with Jagr's size, strength and dominant puck protection skills he will draw a lot of penalties.

He's faster now than he was in 2007-08 for the sheer fact that he played in the KHL where the rinks are larger and more skating is required. Jagr is also a sligth bit lighter now 225 lbs as opposed to 245 that he was 3 years ago and that will only allow him to be quicker and faster.

As for the injury part. Jagr has been relatively healthy for most of his career. Especially the last 3 years of the NHL, he played 82 games every season and by playing in the KHL the last 3 years he's actually helped his body not get any wear and tear like he would have in the NHL. He's helped his body also heal any injuries he had in the NHL.

He's in the best shape of his career and with his vision, hands, passing, stickhandling he will be dominant.

If you also look at this goal, you will see his speed, hands and shot are still there.

I'm sorry if I already posted this video.



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