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07-15-2011, 09:10 AM
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1. Habs won't trade their captain.
2. Isles won't trade Nino
3. Where have you heard that the Isles want to win now?
I realize that the trade I listed is an irrational fantasy, but a few irrational fantasies have taken place this summer.

Examples:
1) Varlameov to Colorado.
2) (related) Vokoun to Washington
3) The huge packages of gold Philly got for Jeff Carter and Mike Richards.

I think even Gomez for Bailey would be an irrational fantasy, but it sounds like a serious rumour.

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They also need to be able to sell it to their fans. Gomez is still a "name" player, even if the last few years have been somewhat negative for him. There are certain guys that will always have respect...Guys like Gomez who have multiple cup rings, rookie of the year awards, etc... will always be popular among players and GMs. I mean Dough Weight gets a contract every year.

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07-15-2011, 09:17 AM
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I've been saying that for months. Florida did it.

However there aren't any UFAs that are worthy of overpayment at this point. Giving Hannan $7 million is plain absurd.
The only advantage of Gomez is the savings of 4 million over the next 3 years. I'm not sure how big a deal that is.

I'm not sure Hannan or Zherdev or whatever for 7 million is more absurd than making a bad trade just to pick up cap space. They're in an absurd situation, only absurd choices remain.

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Realisticaly if the Isles acquire Gomer you'll see salary coming back.
For example, Gomez to isles, Eaton and Hunter to Habs.

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If we get El Nino for Gomez, I'll french kiss PG on the mouth.
Whoa, whoa, keep your pants on, there, Dutchy.

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Realisticaly if the Isles acquire Gomer you'll see salary coming back.
For example, Gomez to isles, Eaton and Hunter to Habs.
Nah, it would make zero sense. They want to reach the cap floor. Why give away $$?

IT's likely a average prospect + pick for Gomez if there were a deal.

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Realisticaly if the Isles acquire Gomer you'll see salary coming back.
For example, Gomez to isles, Eaton and Hunter to Habs.
The ONLY way the Isles make a move to land Gomez would partly be to acquire salary so they can get to the salary floor.

Why would Gauthier want those two plugs? This trade does not improve the Habs whatsoever - Gauthier's prime motivation to move Gomez is that he is seriously underperforming given his contract value. To take on equal salary in a trade for Gomez is just ridiculous, especially if said players are lesser players. Gomez is worth more to the Habs than to just trade him for equal money and for less than effective players comparatively.

If there is ANY shred of truth to an Isles/Habs deal involivng Gomez, I guarantee you that the Isles will be taking on the bulk majority of salary in that deal.

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Gomez for 7th. Go PG Go

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Realisticaly if the Isles acquire Gomer you'll see salary coming back.
For example, Gomez to isles, Eaton and Hunter to Habs.
So something like Gomez, Carle and a pick for Bailey and Eaton?

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Why not just overpay for a few UFAs?

Just give Scott Hannan a 1-year, 7 million dollar deal or something.
'cause Hanna would then cost a REAL 7M dollars, while Gomez is a "fake" one, since his contract was front-loaded.

A team like NYI doesn't really want to pay that much money for a player, they want to get to the salary floor as cheaply as possible (in term of real dollars).

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Nah, it would make zero sense. They want to reach the cap floor. Why give away $$?

IT's likely a average prospect + pick for Gomez if there were a deal.
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The ONLY way the Isles make a move to land Gomez would partly be to acquire salary so they can get to the salary floor.

Why would Gauthier want those two plugs? This trade does not improve the Habs whatsoever - Gauthier's prime motivation to move Gomez is that he is seriously underperforming given his contract value. To take on equal salary in a trade for Gomez is just ridiculous, especially if said players are lesser players. Gomez is worth more to the Habs than to just trade him for equal money and for less than effective players comparatively.

If there is ANY shred of truth to an Isles/Habs deal involivng Gomez, I guarantee you that the Isles will be taking on the bulk majority of salary in that deal.
They will looking to acquire cap hit not salary necessarily.
Gomez is owed under his cap hit of 7.3M$, Eaton and Hunter have combined a cap hit of 4.5M$, so the cap hit "acquisition" is there.
But with that being said, I would be opposed to that type of deal cause it weakens the Habs.
Cap consideration is not all, Gomez is still a pretty usefull player.
Just don't see why Isles would part with a young piece like Bailey to acquire Gomez.

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I would not mind Bailey.

DD, Eller and him would all be fighting for the 2nd center spot. A little competition among the young wolves would not hurt us.

And someone knows about Matt Martin and Travis Hamonic?

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I would not mind Bailey.

DD, Eller and him would all be fighting for the 2nd center spot. A little competition among the young wolves would not hurt us.

And someone knows about Matt Martin and Travis Hamonic?
Martin is a good middleweight fighter... has potential to be one of the tougher light heavy guys in the league.

He is prettty aggressive to boot.

For comparison purposes.

Best Case Scenario - Chris Neil
Worst Case Scenario - Tim Jackman

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I would not mind Bailey.

DD, Eller and him would all be fighting for the 2nd center spot. A little competition among the young wolves would not hurt us.

And someone knows about Matt Martin and Travis Hamonic?
I'd be really happy if Gauthier would get a guy like Hamonic

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I would not mind Bailey.

DD, Eller and him would all be fighting for the 2nd center spot. A little competition among the young wolves would not hurt us.

And someone knows about Matt Martin and Travis Hamonic?
Yes big Dman with an offensive touch....not being shop, well doubt it.
Martin is a tough customer with upside...the Neil comparison is a good one.

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Martin is a good middleweight fighter... has potential to be one of the tougher light heavy guys in the league.

He is prettty aggressive to boot.

For comparison purposes.

Best Case Scenario - Chris Neil
Worst Case Scenario - Tim Jackman
Thanks. I don't really know these two guys so I checked them out on Youtube. I wanted to know if they can play hockey as well. Hamonic seems to be really decent hockey player looking at his stats. Martin looks more like a goon type of player. Either way PG should try to get a package including them if he was to trade Gomez. Something like : Gomez + pick for Bailey + Martin/Hamonic.

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Travis Hamonic is a huge building block for the Isles...forget about him.

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Travis Hamonic is a huge building block for the Isles...forget about him.
If only Milbury was still GM...

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Thanks. I don't really know these two guys so I checked them out on Youtube. I wanted to know if they can play hockey as well. Hamonic seems to be really decent hockey player looking at his stats. Martin looks more like a goon type of player. Either way PG should try to get a package including them if he was to trade Gomez. Something like : Gomez + pick for Bailey + Martin/Hamonic.
Take out Hamonic cause the Islanders won't be trading this guy soon. If you wanted Hamonic, maybe Tinordi +? They can keep him for now.

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If only Milbury was still GM...
He would have probably already traded Tavares

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Realisticaly if the Isles acquire Gomer you'll see salary coming back.
For example, Gomez to isles, Eaton and Hunter to Habs.
I could see a combo of salary and a decent prospect coming back...

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Why isn't a guy like Ryan Johnson being talked about as the ideal 4th line centre next year? A speedy and gutsy penalty-killer, a good faceoff man, with a bit of a physical game to boot? I'm sure as a veteran he'd be a good role-model for a kid like Ryan White as well.

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Well, if another rumor was true, Gomez would of already blocked a trade to the Isles... would love that to happen though, for Martin and a pick for example...

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Why isn't a guy like Ryan Johnson being talked about as the ideal 4th line centre next year? A speedy and gutsy penalty-killer, a good faceoff man, with a bit of a physical game to boot? I'm sure as a veteran he'd be a good role-model for a kid like Ryan White as well.
Agreed...I also brought this up the other day. He'd provide solid depth and would be very cheap as well and wouldn't block the path for other potential hopefuls in the organization.

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People need to realize Gomez is going nowhere this year.

Perhaps he will be traded next summer if Eller emerges as a capable #2 centreman, or if we can sign a UFA centre on July 1st.

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