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07-15-2011, 12:01 PM
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This talk of the NHL being much different is overplayed. It's the exact same as it was in 2007-08.

Jagr played in a much tougher era during the "Dead Puck Era". There was far more obstruction and fighting and roughing than there is now.

Penalties are called easily now and with Jagr's size, strength and dominant puck protection skills he will draw a lot of penalties.

He's faster now than he was in 2007-08 for the sheer fact that he played in the KHL where the rinks are larger and more skating is required. Jagr is also a sligth bit lighter now 225 lbs as opposed to 245 that he was 3 years ago and that will only allow him to be quicker and faster.

As for the injury part. Jagr has been relatively healthy for most of his career. Especially the last 3 years of the NHL, he played 82 games every season and by playing in the KHL the last 3 years he's actually helped his body not get any wear and tear like he would have in the NHL. He's helped his body also heal any injuries he had in the NHL.

He's in the best shape of his career and with his vision, hands, passing, stickhandling he will be dominant.

If you also look at this goal, you will see his speed, hands and shot are still there.

I'm sorry if I already posted this video.

The guy is 39, I think you guys overrate his speed and physical abilty a bit.

Faster now then when he left because he played a bunch of games in a bigger rink? That doesnt seem to be a strong argument.

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07-15-2011, 12:19 PM
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The guy is 39, I think you guys overrate his speed and physical abilty a bit.

Faster now then when he left because he played a bunch of games in a bigger rink? That doesnt seem to be a strong argument.
Go look at the earlier posts and see Jagr's quotes about the KHL and the NHL.

He says he had to learn to skate again to play in the KHL. In the NHL he used to cycle the puck a lot and was impossible to knock off the puck. In the KHL he couldn't use his cycle game as much and he had to work on his speed again. He also had to work on his conditioning and his fitness level is better than it's been for the last 5-10 years.

Jagr since the lockout was not known for his speed, in fact in 2005-06 when he scored 54 goals, he didn't score a single breakaway goal.

He's faster now than he was at any time post lockout and I can say that confidently.

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07-15-2011, 12:46 PM
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can we put him on the point in our PP? that'd be awesome.

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07-15-2011, 12:54 PM
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can we put him on the point in our PP? that'd be awesome.
Noooo no no. He needs to be at the circle somewhere.

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07-15-2011, 01:13 PM
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can we put him on the point in our PP? that'd be awesome.
He played on the point in New York when it was 5-3. He scored about a dozen goals from that spot alone that season.



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I expect Jagr to have way more assists than goals, something like 22 + 45 or similar ratio. I watched some of his games in the KHL and all of his international games, he likes to pass a lot now, even where the old Jagr would shoot. But this is very team dependent. If he stays healthy, he might surprise a lot of people who are doubting him now. I would be happy if he can score 60+ points and help flyers make the playoffs, he could raise his game in the playoffs to be a PPG guy.

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Im starting to get real excited about seeing Jagr this season. At first I thought it was a joke that we would go out and sign some over the hill ex superstar, but after watching those clips from the WC the man can still dangle and looks to be faster than Hartnell.


I dont know maybe im being optimistic hear, but i could see him and Briere being really special together.

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Im starting to get real excited about seeing Jagr this season. At first I thought it was a joke that we would go out and sign some over the hill ex superstar, but after watching those clips from the WC the man can still dangle and looks to be faster than Hartnell.


I dont know maybe im being optimistic hear, but i could see him and Briere being really special together.
Comparison between back and forth players suggests Jagr will have about 70 points. He'll be a good player, most likely. My larger concern is how well he'll hold up for 82 games.

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07-16-2011, 06:38 AM
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A pre-WC game against Russia (played on April 23) with Jágr involved in 4 goals (1+3). I know it's only a Euro Hockey Tour game but the rivalry with Russians makes it always spicy and the rosters were pretty good on both sides. He was a treat to watch in this game. Voráček was 1+1, he is involved in the fourth and fifth goal.


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07-16-2011, 03:30 PM
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I expect him to put up 20g 30a, given who his linemates will likely be. If you're getting 3.3M, you need to put up at least 50 points, imo.
I agree although that might be a tad high. 40-45 would still be a good year.

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i think anywhere in the 50-70 points range is totally feasible considering who he'll likely be playing with.

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His point production should be helped in the same way Leino's was if he's with Briere:

Getting a significant number shifts starting within the offensive faceoff circle.

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07-17-2011, 06:32 PM
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Yup, 50-70. I expect 63

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Wow. 60-70. Pretty lofty for a 39 year old that hasn't played in the NHL for 3 years.

I hope you guys are right, but don't be too hard on him if he gets 40-50. Still money well spent. He'll help the young guys and put people in the $100 seats. Don't think that didn't play into the decision to bring him here.

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Wow. 60-70. Pretty lofty for a 39 year old that hasn't played in the NHL for 3 years.

I hope you guys are right, but don't be too hard on him if he gets 40-50. Still money well spent. He'll help the young guys and put people in the $100 seats. Don't think that didn't play into the decision to bring him here.
Not really an issue here.

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07-18-2011, 02:56 PM
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Go look at the earlier posts and see Jagr's quotes about the KHL and the NHL.

He says he had to learn to skate again to play in the KHL. In the NHL he used to cycle the puck a lot and was impossible to knock off the puck. In the KHL he couldn't use his cycle game as much and he had to work on his speed again. He also had to work on his conditioning and his fitness level is better than it's been for the last 5-10 years.

Jagr since the lockout was not known for his speed, in fact in 2005-06 when he scored 54 goals, he didn't score a single breakaway goal.

He's faster now than he was at any time post lockout and I can say that confidently.


I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Jagr will be better than ever before!!!!!!!!!!!

At 39 he will bring speed to his former game. That should easily bring him to 70 goals and 150 points.

So, for players without speed, they should go to Russia and play for 3 years and then come back, because playing in a weaker league for a long time should make them better at whatever they lacked before.

That's why you see it ever so often: Players returning to the NHL from KHL always seem to rip up the NHL. Conquering the top of the scoring charts and scoring like never before.

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07-18-2011, 03:03 PM
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I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Jagr will be better than ever before!!!!!!!!!!!

At 39 he will bring speed to his former game. That should easily bring him to 70 goals and 150 points.

So, for players without speed, they should go to Russia and play for 3 years and then come back, because playing in a weaker league for a long time should make them better at whatever they lacked before.

That's why you see it ever so often: Players returning to the NHL from KHL always seem to rip up the NHL. Conquering the top of the scoring charts and scoring like never before.
Where did I say he was better than ever? I said he's going to be faster than he was before he left. Jagr is not your typical hockey player that left for the KHL and who's coming back.

He is an all-time great. As many have mentioned, he won't return just to score 40-60 Pts. If he returns it's because he knows he can still be dominant. You'll be suprised when you see just how good Jagr will be.

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07-18-2011, 10:12 PM
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I'm expecting around 65 points from Jagr this year in Philly.

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I expect 20-30 points.

At least I'm setting myself up to be surprised rather than disappointed.

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Video I just finished making. I don't know how to put the actual video so here's the link.



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Anyone else think he could ignite our abysmal PP?

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Anyone else think he could ignite our abysmal PP?
This is what I'm hoping for.

Even so, I'm not expecting much more than 50 points out of Jagr. If he wants to prove me wrong, he's more than welcome to. 50 points might be generous.

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Anyone else think he could ignite our abysmal PP?
Hopefully. Also wanna see us use JvR on the point more.

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Hopefully. Also wanna see us use JvR on the point more.
God no, JVR was awful on the point last year.

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Where did I say he was better than ever? I said he's going to be faster than he was before he left. Jagr is not your typical hockey player that left for the KHL and who's coming back.

He is an all-time great. As many have mentioned, he won't return just to score 40-60 Pts. If he returns it's because he knows he can still be dominant. You'll be suprised when you see just how good Jagr will be.


Or perhaps YOU will be the surprised one.... ever thought of that?

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