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07-16-2011, 10:18 AM
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Haven't read through the thread but wasn't Kane and the 7th pick offered for Mike Richards? That alone should say this is too much for Staal.
Not exactly. Philly ASKED for Kane, the 7th, and maybe Burmistrov.

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07-16-2011, 10:19 AM
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then he should be fired.
We're not all rebuilding. Some teams are built to win now, and last time anybody checked, Staal was more productive, better defensively, and more experienced than Kane.

Winnipeg, a non-playoff team, wanting to keep Kane for his upside is perfectly reasonable. It'd also be reasonable for Pittsburgh, a contender, to want to keep the better all-around, more polished player.

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Haven't read through the thread but wasn't Kane and the 7th pick offered for Mike Richards? That alone should say this is too much for Staal.
Richards had locker room and media issues that Staal's never had.

Staal is also 3 years younger than Richards, almost 2 mil per cheaper, and was on pace for only a few less points than him last season.

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07-16-2011, 01:28 PM
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Regardless of your opinion on the value of the proposed trade, Staal is more beneficial to a contending team now than Kane and a pick.

Pens don't do this deal.

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07-16-2011, 02:24 PM
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There's one very simple thing Pens fans are missing here:

Indeed, Staal has been the better player THUS FAR in his career than Kane has. Nobody, including myself, is not disputing that. Thus far, Staal > Kane.

However, Kane's potential is higher than Staal's, and I believe that Kane will over-take Staal as the better player as soon as this season (or at the latest by the following one).

So I agree, that if the Penguins were making a run LAST season, Staal would be the better guy. But going forward, Kane > Staal both as a player, and as a better fit for the Penguins.

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07-17-2011, 08:43 AM
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There's one very simple thing Pens fans are missing here:

Indeed, Staal has been the better player THUS FAR in his career than Kane has. Nobody, including myself, is not disputing that. Thus far, Staal > Kane.

However, Kane's potential is higher than Staal's, and I believe that Kane will over-take Staal as the better player as soon as this season (or at the latest by the following one).

So I agree, that if the Penguins were making a run LAST season, Staal would be the better guy. But going forward, Kane > Staal both as a player, and as a better fit for the Penguins.
No Pens fans are "missing it", jmelm. They just aren't willing to bet the franchise's fortunes on your optimistic projections, because believe it or not, they aren't iron-clad.

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07-17-2011, 08:51 AM
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Staal is a good defensive center who may get 50 to 60 points in his prime, he is big but doesn't play physical. Kane may get 40 goals and 80 points in his prime, and is hard working hard on the puck and plays physical. Staal for Kane and a 1st is a robbery for the pens, trade will never happen, I'm alot dumber for responding, can't believe the hockey genius stooped to these pesent threads.

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07-17-2011, 09:04 AM
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Staal is a good defensive center who may get 50 to 60 points in his prime, he is big but doesn't play physical. Kane may get 40 goals and 80 points in his prime, and is hard working hard on the puck and plays physical. Staal for Kane and a 1st is a robbery for the pens, trade will never happen, I'm alot dumber for responding, can't believe the hockey genius stooped to these pesent threads.
Good call. This thread is totally the third-person plural present indicative of peser.

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07-17-2011, 12:52 PM
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No Pens fans are "missing it", jmelm. They just aren't willing to bet the franchise's fortunes on your optimistic projections, because believe it or not, they aren't iron-clad.
I know it's not iron clad. It's also not iron clad that Staal will score more than 50-60 points per year. Nothing is iron-clad.

But Pens fans think it's ridiculous or blasphemy to suggest that a guy selected #4th overall in a great draft can't have the same or greater potential than Staal. In Kane, we're not talking about some obscure player who was a 4th round pick. We're talking about a blue-chip prospect -- a player who had as much (and probably more) pedigree as Staal did as a prospect.

For people who want to say Staal has statistically out-performed Kane as a rookie, that's fine. Kane also wasn't playing with Evgeni Malkin on a great team. He was playing with nobody on a crap team. Yet he stepped in and made an impact, and proved to be a really good PKer, just like Staal did. He is further ahead at the same point in his career as Perry, Parise & Loui Eriksson, 3 players who Pens fans always say they would love to trade Staal for.

What Kane has proven since his draft year is certainly enough to show that whatever hopes people had for this guy are well-deserved. When you factor in positional need, age & contract status, he is a better fit for the Penguins, to say nothing of the fact that he has higher upside. Saying that such a move would hurt the Penguins in the immediate term (this season) is a possibility, but a very remote one, IMO. In the long term, Kane projects better than Staal quite significantly.

By the same logic, you could state that trading Staal for Tyler Seguin would be a risk and based on "optimistic projections" because he's not as proven as Staal.


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07-17-2011, 01:00 PM
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"Bet the franchise's fortunes"? If you don't like the trade CW that's fine, but that's really going to the extreme I think.

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