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07-18-2011, 08:41 PM
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All that does is raise another habit of Gauthier. He doesn't make need-for-need hockey trades, he's always giving futures or gaining futures. Unfortunately it's mainly to escape the immediate comparisons that trades draw. By the time Bournival or Palushaj or possibly Eller are deemed to have reached their potential fans will forget just exactly how those players were acquired. Gauthier is a deceptive trader out of necessity.
The difference between the two is almost immediatly apparent. Gauthier traded Wiz's rights and got something back whereas gainey would have simply allowed him to walk. Sure a 5th round pick isn't much but in this case it is better than nothing.

Trading for a need means you overpay, it means you get a guy like gomez for your best defensive prospects. Gauthier got a guy like Eller (young and full of potential) for Halak whereas gainey would have gotten us someone like Drury. Gautheir seems to be someone who is very sneakily building a strong base.

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I think that this duo has really managed to upgrade the quality of the team years by years they aren't the best ever, but still does a good job integrating a winning mentality in the organization just look at playoff games played by teams post-lockout which is IMO a way to see if an organization in good shape or not. (not the best but still an honest indication)

Playoff games played post lockout
Rank Teams 05-06 06-07 07-08 08-09 09-10 10-11 Total
1 Red Wings 6 18 22 23 12 11 92
2 Sharks 11 11 13 6 15 18 74
3 Penguins 0 5 20 24 13 7 69
4 Flyers 6 0 17 6 23 11 63
5 Ducks 16 21 6 13 0 6 62
6 Canucks 0 12 0 10 12 25 59
7 Bruins 0 0 7 11 13 25 56
8 Canadiens 6 0 12 4 19 7 48
9 Sabres 18 16 0 0 6 7 47
10 Blackhawks 0 0 0 17 22 7 46
11 Hurricanes 25 0 0 18 0 0 43
12 Senators 10 20 4 0 6 0 40
13 Devils 9 11 5 7 5 0 37
14 Capitals 0 0 7 14 7 9 37
15 Rangers 4 10 10 7 0 5 36
16 Predators 5 5 5 0 6 12 33
17 Stars 5 7 18 0 0 0 30
18 Lightning 5 6 0 0 0 18 29
19 Flames 7 6 7 6 0 0 26
20 Avalanche 9 10 0 6 0 0 25
21 Oilers 24 0 0 0 0 0 24
22 Kings 0 0 0 0 6 6 12
23 Wild 0 5 6 0 0 0 11
24 Coyotes 0 0 0 0 7 4 11
25 Islanders 0 5 0 0 0 0 5
26 Blues 0 0 0 4 0 0 4
27 BJ 0 0 0 4 0 0 4
28 Trashers 0 4 0 0 0 0 4
29 Leafs 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
30 Panthers 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

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I think that this duo has really managed to upgrade the quality of the team years by years they aren't the best ever, but still does a good job integrating a winning mentality in the organization just look at playoff games played by teams post-lockout which is IMO a way to see if an organization in good shape or not. (not the best but still an honest indication)

Playoff games played post lockout
Rank Teams 05-06 06-07 07-08 08-09 09-10 10-11 Total
1 Red Wings 6 18 22 23 12 11 92
2 Sharks 11 11 13 6 15 18 74
3 Penguins 0 5 20 24 13 7 69
4 Flyers 6 0 17 6 23 11 63
5 Ducks 16 21 6 13 0 6 62
6 Canucks 0 12 0 10 12 25 59
7 Bruins 0 0 7 11 13 25 56
8 Canadiens 6 0 12 4 19 7 48
9 Sabres 18 16 0 0 6 7 47
10 Blackhawks 0 0 0 17 22 7 46
11 Hurricanes 25 0 0 18 0 0 43
12 Senators 10 20 4 0 6 0 40
13 Devils 9 11 5 7 5 0 37
14 Capitals 0 0 7 14 7 9 37
15 Rangers 4 10 10 7 0 5 36
16 Predators 5 5 5 0 6 12 33
17 Stars 5 7 18 0 0 0 30
18 Lightning 5 6 0 0 0 18 29
19 Flames 7 6 7 6 0 0 26
20 Avalanche 9 10 0 6 0 0 25
21 Oilers 24 0 0 0 0 0 24
22 Kings 0 0 0 0 6 6 12
23 Wild 0 5 6 0 0 0 11
24 Coyotes 0 0 0 0 7 4 11
25 Islanders 0 5 0 0 0 0 5
26 Blues 0 0 0 4 0 0 4
27 BJ 0 0 0 4 0 0 4
28 Trashers 0 4 0 0 0 0 4
29 Leafs 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
30 Panthers 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Deceptive, it doesn't hurt that the Leafs and Sens have been attrocious for atleast 4 seasons and the east is much easier to make the playoffs. 4 of the bottom 6 have played no more than 5 PO games in the last 6 seasons. When you can only have 7 teams miss and 4 are almost guaranteed to fail hard you put the farm on making it.

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Ya I somehow forgot about that trade (how is that possible? lol). Regardless, Bob Gainey was not very good as GM of the Montreal Canadiens. I can't see Gauthier making these types of moves in the future. I wonder if he was even consulted before making these moves?
Because everybody thinks we signed him to that terrible contract.

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Deceptive, it doesn't hurt that the Leafs and Sens have been attrocious for atleast 4 seasons and the east is much easier to make the playoffs. 4 of the bottom 6 have played no more than 5 PO games in the last 6 seasons. When you can only have 7 teams miss and 4 are almost guaranteed to fail hard you put the farm on making it.
By the same logic I should remove Detroit from number one spot because they played against bad teams in Blues, Blue Jackets and 3 bad years of Chicago. They still are the best team in the league post lockout and it is showing in my table.

If you want to go to just looking at our ''bad'' conference we are at the 4th position


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Deceptive, it doesn't hurt that the Leafs and Sens have been attrocious for atleast 4 seasons and the east is much easier to make the playoffs. 4 of the bottom 6 have played no more than 5 PO games in the last 6 seasons. When you can only have 7 teams miss and 4 are almost guaranteed to fail hard you put the farm on making it.
lol wow dont start on THAT, you still have to play everyone...

and ottawa was in the cup finals 4 years ago..

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By the same logic I should remove Detroit from number one spot because they played against bad teams in Blues, Blue Jackets and 3 bad years of Chicago. They still are the best team in the league post lockout and it is showing in my table.

If you want to go to just looking at our ''bad'' conference we are at the 4th position
How so? The wings have had deep runs in the playoffs almost every year against the best in the west. Just because the habs have managed not to be absolutly attrocious doesn't mean we are better than a pile of teams with less PO games played. I don't know about your standards but crawling into the PO's in 7th and 8th place is nothing to brag about. When we are true contenders then we can.

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07-18-2011, 09:28 PM
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By the same logic I should remove Detroit from number one spot because they played against bad teams in Blues, Blue Jackets and 3 bad years of Chicago. They still are the best team in the league post lockout and it is showing in my table.

If you want to go to just looking at our ''bad'' conference we are at the 4th position
Since the lockout the Habs have made the playoffs 5 of 6 years. Were they in the Western Conference they would have made the playoffs 2 of 6 years.

The playoff game statistic is not a good comparative measure of success.

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Teams always pay to much for players at the deadline and it's too bad the Habs didn't take advantage of that.
Like someone said , all those draft picks would have piled up. It makes you want ot shake your head.
That is my biggest issue with Gainey, if he knew how polarized the room was and he knew he wanted to blow up the team he should have traded for picks and young studs.

Look at the Flyers, they traded their core for blue chip players and while they MAY have taken a step back in the short term, their future is in good hands.

it's time to change the old guard with younger management who have played in the "new" NHL, someone like Yzerman.... Oops never mind.

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Since the lockout the Habs have made the playoffs 5 of 6 years. Were they in the Western Conference they would have made the playoffs 2 of 6 years.

The playoff game statistic is not a good comparative measure of success.
One year (Yes, it's only one, but still) Carolina missed in the East, but had they been in the West, they would have finished in 8th, ahead of Nashville.

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Gauthier is indistinguishable from Gainey, they are the same era of the team. Gainey fired coaches, traded assets, failed to trade assets, lost players, signed players and overall didn't move the team that far in either direction backward or forward. Gauther will do more of the same, because they operate with the same objective.

Get to the playoffs, however crippled or overmatched, make money, see what happens.

I trust Gauthier will continue to spend assets to achieve this modest goal , will refuse to save assets in the pursuit of reaching higher, and he'll do that as long as he's employed here.

A lot of people around here like that, or fail to recognize it, but this is probably as good as it will get under this regime.
You, with this post, have perfectly verbalized what has frustrated me over the last several years regarding the Canadiens' management.

They have continued to sign players and projecting for the future and pointing out that the future looks bright....as the assets that were brought on board several years ago.....who were claimed to be the bright future for the Habs.......are traded for little or nothing.

It seems that we are in constant rebuild mode without ever having the majority of the rebuilding pieces given adequate time to perform. A lot of names who were our future are now the present for some other team. And based on what I have seen with Gauthier in his short stint here, we can expect the same as what we saw with Gainey.

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You, with this post, have perfectly verbalized what has frustrated me over the last several years regarding the Canadiens' management.

They have continued to sign players and projecting for the future and pointing out that the future looks bright....as the assets that were brought on board several years ago.....who were claimed to be the bright future for the Habs.......are traded for little or nothing.

It seems that we are in constant rebuild mode without ever having the majority of the rebuilding pieces given adequate time to perform. A lot of names who were our future are now the present for some other team. And based on what I have seen with Gauthier in his short stint here, we can expect the same as what we saw with Gainey.
Meh I don't think Skost, Lapierre, O'byrne and D'agostini are the future of any team.

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Gauthier is indistinguishable from Gainey, they are the same era of the team. Gainey fired coaches, traded assets, failed to trade assets, lost players, signed players and overall didn't move the team that far in either direction backward or forward. Gauther will do more of the same, because they operate with the same objective.

Get to the playoffs, however crippled or overmatched, make money, see what happens.

I trust Gauthier will continue to spend assets to achieve this modest goal , will refuse to save assets in the pursuit of reaching higher, and he'll do that as long as he's employed here.

A lot of people around here like that, or fail to recognize it, but this is probably as good as it will get under this regime.
And you seem fail to recognize that we have a pretty decent team in our hands. We came minutes away from beating the 2011 Stanley Cup champions without three important player in Markov, Pacioretty and Georges.

We have two young players in Price and Subban who are just starting to show their full potential. With a goaltender like Price, you can win a championship.

The progression of the team in the past 10 years is great for a team who had only one top 5 pick in that period.

And I don't see Gauthier as the carbon copy of Gainey. Gauthier will make more moves...even though they are sometimes small, they can pay-off. He's no Holmgren, but hat guy is pretty much unique in the league.

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You, with this post, have perfectly verbalized what has frustrated me over the last several years regarding the Canadiens' management.

They have continued to sign players and projecting for the future and pointing out that the future looks bright....as the assets that were brought on board several years ago.....who were claimed to be the bright future for the Habs.......are traded for little or nothing.

It seems that we are in constant rebuild mode without ever having the majority of the rebuilding pieces given adequate time to perform. A lot of names who were our future are now the present for some other team. And based on what I have seen with Gauthier in his short stint here, we can expect the same as what we saw with Gainey.
Your so-called rebuild was pretty much done the year we signed Cammy, Gionta and company. Gainey and Gauthier chose a core of players for a period of time, and we'll do or die with them. Right now, I'd say we are in good shape. We have the best top 6 we've had in ages, a top goaltender, and two stars on D.

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Trading Huet cost us a stanley cup so I am pretty sure that one is worse. But hey we got a 2nd roundpick!!
You are dilusional. Huet would not have led us to a Cup. I agree that Price wasn't ready but you've lost all your credibility with this statement.

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I'll add, Gainey's worse failing was not having a good feel for the strength for the team.

1) In 2007-08, he should have bought at the deadline. Trading Huet was a waste, and Price was not ready.
2) After 2008, there was a lot of ******** of "it's not the player it's the system", with respect to our PP, and we let Streit go. In subsequent years, we ended up trading for Schneider, for Bergeron, and for Wisniewski, whereas Streit has gone on to kick ass in New York.
2) In 2005-06 and 2008-09, the team was a disaster and he shoulld have sold. We could have gotten a lot for Souray, Kovalev, Koivu, and Komisarek rather than going for failed playoff runs.
All these statements are made AFTER the fact. It must be nice to know the future in advance. You're complaining about moving Huet because we were in a playoff run but then you advocate moving 4 veterans when we were in the same situation.

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He was a 1st liner (Tanguay) though and we gave up assets to get him so he should have been traded. I am of the belief that unless they have a no trade clause or are totally worthless no player should be allowed to just walk away for nothing.

Almost all of those players were top line/top pairing material, how can you explain that sort of loss of assets for nothing?
First off, Tanguay has not been a top line player for a long time. Top 6, ok, but here you go exaggerating again. What would you have done with Tanguay? Move him at the deadline just before he actually got on a roll playing with Kovalev and Koivu? Your statements make no sense. At the end of the season he's a guy without a contract, had just experienced what some people saw as a career threatening shoulder injury, and played 2/4 games in the playoffs either due to injury or b/c he wasn't able to man up and play through pain depending on who you talk to. Tanguay signed with Tampa for less than 50% of his previous contract in LATE AUGUST. That's two months as an UFA where he could have signed with anyone but didn't... why? Because he was not nearly as valuable as you claim here.

So many outlandish statements in this thread, I guess to be expected. Gainey was a polarizing figure during his tenure as GM, like him or love him. Personally I think he did a pretty good job overall, but he had his hiccups. I certainly never liked the Gomez deal from the moment it was struck and I thought Halak deserved a shot in the show as Huet's back up before Price did. But GM's never seem to get the benefit of the doubt. You criticize the Tanguay situation but do you know how much money he wanted? Or the term? I sure don't, but considering it took him more than 1/2 the off season to get $2.5 mil, I would think his initial demands were a little higher. If you trade him at the deadline it ends up "costing us a Stanley Cup" as you so eloquently put the situation with Huet. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, that's how it goes in Montreal. Can't ever win.

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Trading Huet cost us a stanley cup so I am pretty sure that one is worse. But hey we got a 2nd roundpick!!

Thank god we have someone now who isn't a complete moron, we can start to move forward.
lol

I hope you don't actually believe we would have won the cup with Huet. No one was taking it from the Red Wings that year. Plus, I don't think I've seen a team miss more open nets than the Habs when they played the Flyers that year.

We'd have been eliminated in the first or second round, Huet would sign somewhere else, and then everyone would complain that Gainey let Huet go for nothing.

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lol

I hope you don't actually believe we would have won the cup with Huet. No one was taking it from the Red Wings that year. Plus, I don't think I've seen a team miss more open nets than the Habs when they played the Flyers that year.

We'd have been eliminated in the first or second round, Huet would sign somewhere else, and then everyone would complain that Gainey let Huet go for nothing.
Huet played on fire after he was traded and almost took a terrible washington team past the flyers. If boston can beat Vancouver anyone can win in a final, that is why they play the games duuuuh.

Everyone would complain we didn't trade our starting goalie right before the playoffs after having the best season in 20 years? Wanna come back and try again?

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You are dilusional. Huet would not have led us to a Cup. I agree that Price wasn't ready but you've lost all your credibility with this statement.



All these statements are made AFTER the fact. It must be nice to know the future in advance. You're complaining about moving Huet because we were in a playoff run but then you advocate moving 4 veterans when we were in the same situation.



First off, Tanguay has not been a top line player for a long time. Top 6, ok, but here you go exaggerating again. What would you have done with Tanguay? Move him at the deadline just before he actually got on a roll playing with Kovalev and Koivu? Your statements make no sense. At the end of the season he's a guy without a contract, had just experienced what some people saw as a career threatening shoulder injury, and played 2/4 games in the playoffs either due to injury or b/c he wasn't able to man up and play through pain depending on who you talk to. Tanguay signed with Tampa for less than 50% of his previous contract in LATE AUGUST. That's two months as an UFA where he could have signed with anyone but didn't... why? Because he was not nearly as valuable as you claim here.

So many outlandish statements in this thread, I guess to be expected. Gainey was a polarizing figure during his tenure as GM, like him or love him. Personally I think he did a pretty good job overall, but he had his hiccups. I certainly never liked the Gomez deal from the moment it was struck and I thought Halak deserved a shot in the show as Huet's back up before Price did. But GM's never seem to get the benefit of the doubt. You criticize the Tanguay situation but do you know how much money he wanted? Or the term? I sure don't, but considering it took him more than 1/2 the off season to get $2.5 mil, I would think his initial demands were a little higher. If you trade him at the deadline it ends up "costing us a Stanley Cup" as you so eloquently put the situation with Huet. Damned if you do and damned if you don't, that's how it goes in Montreal. Can't ever win.
Oh noes, i've lost all credibility with nail jenkins on hfboards! Whatever will I do? If you want to kiss gaineys ass and make excuses go ahead just don't come in here tossing around "lost all credibilities!!?!?!1!" on an internet forum alright?

The team was on fire that year, everyone was jelling and we were looking like a true contender. Then Huet gets traded for nothing, the team was very shakey in front of Price and he collapses. The rest is history.

Go find me another team that traded their starting goaltender right before the playoffs for nothing.

Tanguay is quite amazing with Iginla, we traded good picks for him and let him go for nothing. Total waste of assets and anyone who throws assets away for nothing doesn't belong near an NHL team.

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Huet played on fire after he was traded and almost took a terrible washington team past the flyers. If boston can beat Vancouver anyone can win in a final, that is why they play the games duuuuh.
Detroit and Pittsburgh were much better teams in the playoffs than the Canadiens that year. Huet could stand on his head every night but the fact that the team couldn't bury the best of chances in the second round was just as much a problem as Carey's weak glove hand.

Boston beat Vancouver because Vancouver rolled over and died the second the Bruins turned up the intensity, I wouldn't have expected that from Detroit at all. Huet is also no Tim Thomas. He never was and never will be.

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Yes. Everyone complains that we let Souray walk for nothing, that we let Koivu walk for nothing, that we let Ryder, Kovalev, Komisarek, Tanguay walk for nothing. Why wouldn't they complain that we let Huet walk for nothing?

Your argument only really makes sense if the team had won the cup, which they wouldn't have. Huet wasn't as big a part of the teams success that year as some people (generally people who like to complain about everything) would like to believe. The team was second in goals scored that year for God's sake.

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The team was on fire that year, everyone was jelling and we were looking like a true contender. Then Huet gets traded for nothing, the team was very shakey in front of Price and he collapses. The rest is history.
The team was 11-3 when Price played in nets after the trade. I don't know how that's considered a collapse. He was also just fine in the Boston series. It wasn't just Price that messed up the Philly series, as I pointed out earlier.

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Tanguay is quite amazing with Iginla, we traded good picks for him and let him go for nothing. Total waste of assets and anyone who throws assets away for nothing doesn't belong near an NHL team.
What the hell were we gonna get for Tanguay? Trade him at the deadline while we're trying to secure a playoff spot? Trade him in the offseason after coming off a so-so year and a very questionable injury? If Wiz gets you a 5th-7th rounder after the best season of his career, what the hell do you expect to get for a possibly severely injured Tanguay?


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Huet played on fire after he was traded and almost took a terrible washington team past the flyers. If boston can beat Vancouver anyone can win in a final, that is why they play the games duuuuh.

Everyone would complain we didn't trade our starting goalie right before the playoffs after having the best season in 20 years? Wanna come back and try again?
Hahaha wtf

Your shtick is so tired, and now you're resorting to flat-out lying and re-writing history to try and prove your points. Good job.

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Let's take a brief pause from criticism, what are the best trades on the list?

1) Trading Josef Balej for Alex Kovalev. It gave us several years of entertainment, including the 1st in the eastern conference position of 2007-08. It was a building piece for a contender, though other pieces failed to materialize that took that away.
2) Trading Craig Rivet for Josh Gorges and a 1st round draft pick that became Pacioretty. However, this only adds to the pain of letting Souray, Streit, Koivu, Kovalev, Komisarek and Tanguay walk for nothing.

In the future, trading Halak for Eller and Schultz has the potential to become the greatest trade on the list.

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You are dilusional. Huet would not have led us to a Cup. I agree that Price wasn't ready but you've lost all your credibility with this statement.

All these statements are made AFTER the fact. It must be nice to know the future in advance. You're complaining about moving Huet because we were in a playoff run but then you advocate moving 4 veterans when we were in the same situation.
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A lot of fans knew that Souray, Tanguay, Kovalev, etc should be traded at the deadline. I knew, it was the obvious thing to do.

Look at the Philadelphia GM. He sees a sinking ship, so one year after the cup finals he trades away his two stars for a boatload of picks and young studs.

As for 2007-08, we were the number one team in the Eastern Conference. Price was a young guy in a stressful position and had a nervous breakdown against Philadelphia. We were scoring goals, but his save percentage that series was under .900, as such winning was inconceivable.

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Yes. Everyone complains that we let Souray walk for nothing, that we let Koivu walk for nothing, that we let Ryder, Kovalev, Komisarek, Tanguay walk for nothing. Why wouldn't they complain that we let Huet walk for nothing?
You wanna buy in years when you're good and sell in years when you're bad, it's not quantum physics.

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Huet played on fire after he was traded and almost took a terrible washington team past the flyers. If boston can beat Vancouver anyone can win in a final, that is why they play the games duuuuh.
And if Carolina won the cup, and Edmonton made it to the final, anyone can win if they make the playoffs. That's why it took some balls to trade away Huet at the deadline. That's also why you don't trade away players like Souray, Koivu and company at the deadline when you are in or really close from the playoffs.

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Look at the Philadelphia GM. He sees a sinking ship, so one year after the cup finals he trades away his two stars for a boatload of picks and young studs.
We don't exactly have the players to aquire a boatload of picks and young studs do we? Or maybe you want to trade Price and Subban?

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Wasn't Huet traded because the 2nd recieved in that trade was then gonna be used to acquire Hossa and Hedberg?

I remember Wadell saying that Pittsburgh called him in the final minutes of the trade deadline and offered Esposito, Armstrong and Christensen. He also said that Esposito was the piece that made Atlanta trade with Pittsburgh instead of Montreal.

It was also reported that Lapierre, Higgins, Grabovski and that 2nd from Washington was offered for Hossa and Hedberg.

What am I trying to say? I'm not really engaged in the discussion, but I think the Huet deal was a gamble on the part of Gainey that never fell through. Gainey also said in the post deadline interview that he had offered two players currently playing on the roster a top prospect(grabovski) and a pick for Hossa, but the deal fell through at the last minute, which is consistent with what Wadell said that the deal fell through at the last minute.

So it's not like Gainey just traded Huet on a whim just to give the net to Price. He traded him to get an asset so that he could of used it in the Hossa trade. The gamble eventually failed, but at that point, it's the decision of the Atlanta GM, not Gainey.

Also, while we're at it....Waddell got smoked in that deal. Christensen, Armstrong and Esposito are no longer in the Atlanta/Winnipeg organization and are all lesser players than Lapierre, Higgins and Grabovski.

As far as this thread goes. Gainey wasn't great, but he wasn;t bad either. He was able to actually make us forget about those terrible 90s.

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And if Carolina won the cup, and Edmonton made it to the final, anyone can win if they make the playoffs. That's why it took some balls to trade away Huet at the deadline. That's also why you don't trade away players like Souray, Koivu and company at the deadline when you are in or really close from the playoffs.



We don't exactly have the players to aquire a boatload of picks and young studs do we? Or maybe you want to trade Price and Subban?
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I gave the philly analogy for the case of the end of the 2009 season. We should have traded Kovalev, Komisarek, Koivu, Tanguay, Schneider for that matter for young players and picks. That we would have gotten less than philly got is irrelevant, as we would have gotten more than we ended up getting. The worst case scenario is a half-dozen 2nd rounders.

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