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07-15-2011, 02:35 PM
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Once arbitration is applied for the player is shielded from offer sheets. Since the team elected to apply for arbitration Weber cannot receive offer sheets. In fact, that was the sole reason (or at least the only reason stated publicly) for Nashville to have elected for arbitration.

To answer the hypothetical, yes the team most likely would have matched.
Check, thanks guys. But at the same time the arbitrator can offer the contract and Weber can not like it and not sign it? And then teams can offer sheet him?

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Weber cannot refuse the deal, and neither can the team. The only way Weber will be vulnerable to offer sheets is if the arbiter offers a one year contract. Next summer he would remain an RFA and the process begins anew. That is dependent on Weber requesting a one year deal from the arbiter. The other option is the team works out a one year deal, but I would imagine if that is what negotiations have come to the team will be looking to trade him anyway.

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weber can refuse the deal, but then he is radu 2.0

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Check, thanks guys. But at the same time the arbitrator can offer the contract and Weber can not like it and not sign it? And then teams can offer sheet him?
teams can walk away from player elected arb awards, but players cannot walk away from team elected arb awards.

No offer sheets possible this summer. Sorry(not really)

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07-19-2011, 07:54 AM
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So the prevailing opinion regarding filing for arbitration was that Poile wanted to protect against an offer sheet while negotiating a long term deal with Weber's agent. Shea has been on record as saying, "it's only a matter of time.....i want to be here....etc, etc".

Yes the silence is deafening. No one, not anyone, has said anything in weeks regarding the negotiations. Some think they are waiting on Daughty (Why?), but are we really going to go to arbitration on this, and force ourselves to have to accept whatever deal the arbitrator gives us?

I'm nervous. Weber is the best skater we've ever had, and it's not even close. Well, maybe Suter is close on the ice, but not close in terms of intangibles. He is the face of the franchise and the face of hockey in Nashville. He brings legitimacy to the organization. He must be resigned at whatever cost.

Poile jettisoned Franson in order to dump Lombardi, Sully is off the books, so is a portion of Dumont, we had 6 playoff games. The money is there, so I'm going to be really mad if this goes to arbitration, and we have to accept a 1 or 2 year deal.

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Yeah it's rather disconcerting to me. Weber puts butts in seats,is the captain and face of the franchise. The last thing this market needs after so much momentum is to lose him, that will just be terrible for the fanbase. Poile has seemed almost nonchalant when he's been asked about it, like "it'll get done, or whatever". Well Dave, we're waiting. The point of no return is getting closer all the time and there's zero progress being made.

If we do end up losing Weber, it will just cement the fact that this organization will never be able to keep a star player and is only a farm team for the bigger markets. We'll have to hear it from the hockey media (again), and that thought sickens me.

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Poile jettisoned Franson in order to dump Lombardi, Sully is off the books, so is a portion of Dumont, we had 6 playoff games. The money is there, so I'm going to be really mad if this goes to arbitration, and we have to accept a 1 or 2 year deal.
My guess is that money isn't the problem. It's term and a trust that Poile will continue to build playoff caliber teams. He got his first taste of going deeper in the playoffs and the hype and excitement that comes with it. He doesn't want to see this team take steps back, especially if he signs a 4 to 7 year deal. I think he wants to see if Poile can bring in that top-6 that will move this team forward.

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07-19-2011, 08:18 AM
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They are waiting on Doughty and Doughty is waiting on Weber. Deals are commonly worked out the morning of arbitration or even after the process has already begun. Weber will be a Predator next season, he's not going anywhere. That's why Poile and Weber are so non-chalant and confident the deal will get done.

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The point of no return is getting closer all the time and there's zero progress being made.
Do you have a source for this comment? Or are you just guessing?

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Well, Poile is content to sit back and wait for a Mike Fisher type deal instead of going out and getting someone. Is that good enough for Weber? Maybe he's trying to promise him Radulov will come back next year. Yeah, good luck with that one.

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They are waiting on Doughty and Doughty is waiting on Weber. Deals are commonly worked out the morning of arbitration or even after the process has already begun. Weber will be a Predator next season, he's not going anywhere. That's why Poile and Weber are so non-chalant and confident the deal will get done.

Yes, but we want him to be a predator for many more seasons lol. The arbitration would ensure he's here for one year.

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Yes, but we want him to be a predator for many more seasons lol. The arbitration would ensure he's here for one year.
Or two years.

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Do you have a source for this comment? Or are you just guessing?
I feel like there's at least been some numbers and years thrown out there and leaked out in Doughty's case. We've have nothing but Poile's cryptic GM speak, lol.

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Or two years.
That's worse. That gets him to UFA status.

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Well, Poile is content to sit back and wait for a Mike Fisher type deal instead of going out and getting someone. Is that good enough for Weber? Maybe he's trying to promise him Radulov will come back next year. Yeah, good luck with that one.
You realize that we are 1 top-6 forward from the roster being complete, right? That 1 player isn't some run of the mill depth type top-6 forward. We have those in spades. What we need is a forward with dynamic talent. Those are hard to come by and we will have to be patient to get the right deal for the right player.

Being "aggressive" in a sellers market is asking to make a bad decision that'll impact both the short and long term futures of the team.

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07-19-2011, 08:33 AM
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I feel like there's at least been some numbers and years thrown out there and leaked out in Doughty's case. We've have nothing but Poile's cryptic GM speak, lol.
And those numbers have been quickly shot down by both the Kings and Doughty camps. Difference in Nashville is that Poile doesn't negotiate in the media and the players and their agents know and respect that.

Patience is difficult, but it is not time to panic yet...

Furthermore, let's say Weber gets a two-year arbitration verdict...besides the obvious ending point there...what's to say that the two sides don't workout a new deal in the interim? Gives Poile at least a season to continue building the team and show Shea that the vision isn't just written on paper...

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My guess is that money isn't the problem. It's term and a trust that Poile will continue to build playoff caliber teams. He got his first taste of going deeper in the playoffs and the hype and excitement that comes with it. He doesn't want to see this team take steps back, especially if he signs a 4 to 7 year deal. I think he wants to see if Poile can bring in that top-6 that will move this team forward.
The problem is, aside from a Brad Boyes type reclaimation project, there's no one who fits that definition of available top 6 forward that would significantly add to the team. Semin aint going to be available. Hemsky won't be worth the price. Who's left?

The time to do that was 3 weeks ago. No one liked those prices? OK, well, if we don't want to shop, we do without.

The problem is, the Preds can't even come close to losing Weber without compensation. It makes no sense for the Preds to go for a 1-2 year deal and risk devaluing the asset. Pending UFA Weber is not much of an asset (see Kovalchuk).

It makes no sense for Weber to sign for any longer if he is truly waiting to see if we can progress as a team, because aside from the longshot Radulov coming back, there's no known commodities of offensive help on the way (beck maybe?). Guess what we'll be saying on July 2nd 2012 - "Oh man, those prices are so high, i'm so glad we didn't pay that for player X'. And on July 1st 2013. 2014...etc.

Sort of a catch-22.

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Have to believe Poile is looking for a big trade with team towards the ceiling. I would assume one of the "big 4" D prospects would be on the move if this is the case.

Right now the team (without Weber) is $7.1 mil away from the floor. Management is saying they will spend more this year than last. Something's got to give, right?

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Have to believe Poile is looking for a big trade with team towards the ceiling. I would assume one of the "big 4" D prospects would be on the move if this is the case.

Right now the team (without Weber) is $7.1 mil away from the floor. Management is saying they will spend more this year than last. Something's got to give, right?
If Weber was to sign for $7.5 mil per, we still have close to $4 mil to hit last year's number...

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If Weber was to sign for $7.5 mil per, we still have close to $4 mil to hit last year's number...
Kinda like last year with Kovalchuk, everything is up in the air until Stamkos, Parise, Doughty, and Weber get done.

Oncethose deals are made then other scenarios open up.

For instance, if tampa signs Stamkos to 8 mil or more, they may look to move a forward... same thing with Parise in NJ

Or, if either of those players is traded, look for the team that acquires them to look to trade a forward to make room.


I think as soon as the arbitration process works its way through(either with awards or contacts being signed beforehand) there will be a flurry of deals shortly thereafter.

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Why would the arbitration almost insure a 1-2 year deal?

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Have to believe Poile is looking for a big trade with team towards the ceiling. I would assume one of the "big 4" D prospects would be on the move if this is the case.

Right now the team (without Weber) is $7.1 mil away from the floor. Management is saying they will spend more this year than last. Something's got to give, right?
The floor is 48 million, but we spent 52 million last year, which was midpoint. If the midpoint is still our threshold, as it's assumed to be, then we can spend up to 56 million this season.

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The floor is 48 million, but we spent 52 million last year, which was midpoint. If the midpoint is still our threshold, as it's assumed to be, then we can spend up to 56 million this season.
So, based on this, the team may be shopping for a $5 - $7 mil top-6. Though, remember that Suter and Rinne is next on the block.

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Everyone freaked out about the RFA's and guess what, they're all back at numbers that we expected in the first place. This isn't Poile's first rodeo. Weber's deal will get done. Players like Weber ever hardly if ever go to arbitration. It's July 19, no need to panic at this point but if it makes you all feel better to do so go right ahead.

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Someone who understands revenue sharing better than I do, the second tier of RS is to aid small-budget teams to spend to the midpoint, correct? Because of this I shouldn't be worried about the cap potentially raising dramatically again (like the $5m raise this summer) causing our owners to start second guessing their commitment to the team, right? We need some Brett Wilson action soon. Couldn't hurt to have a billionaire in that group.

Oh... yeah... OT: Shea Weber. He's a guy. Needs a contract. (good enough? )

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