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07-21-2011, 09:36 AM
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The more I think about it, the more I'm coming to the conclusion that the team's cap position doesn't allow them to offer both Cally and Dubi longterm deals this summer.

They've got $10.6MM in space according to CapGeek:

Gaborik, Marian $7,500,000
Richards, Brad $6,666,667
Wolski, Wojtek $3,800,000
Avery, Sean $1,937,500
Anisimov, Artem $1,875,000
Z.-Aasen, M. $1,750,000
Boyle, Brian $1,700,000
Rupp, Michael $1,500,000
Fedotenko, Ruslan $1,400,000
Christensen, Erik $925,000
Stepan, Derek $875,000
Prust, Brandon $800,000

Staal, Marc $3,975,000
Girardi, Daniel $3,325,000
McDonagh, Ryan $1,300,000
Sauer, Mike $1,250,000
Del Zotto, M. $1,087,500

Lundqvist, Henrik $6,875,000
Biron, Martin $875,000

Buyouts
Drury, Chris $3,716,667

Carryover Bonus Overages From Previous Season $527,000

ROSTER SIZE 19
SALARY CAP $64,300,000
CAP PAYROLL $53,660,334
CAP SPACE $10,639,666

If you figure either one of Dubi or Cally is going to get $4.5MM+ AAV on a long term deal it simply doesn't work to bring 'em both on at once. Take a look:

Dubi: $4.5
Cally: $4.5
Eminger: $0.8
Erixon: $1.7
Total: $11.5

And that's assuming $4.5MM for both; if Dubi really wants $5.0-$5.5MM AAV, it is obviously even more over the cap. The only way to make it work is buying out Wolski.

However, if you get Dubi on a one year RFA deal (pushing off signing him long term until next year - or conceivably dealing him), then the numbers look more like this:

Dubi: $3.7
Cally: $4.5
Eminger: $0.8
Erixon: $1.7
Total: $10.7

That's still a little bit over, but if you get a little bit better prices on Dubi's arb hearing and/or Cally's deal, you're under. If you need more room, you only have to demote/deal Christensen.

Makes me wonder if they didn't make the call that they want to keep Wolski and therefore, barring sweetheart deals from both Cally and Dubi (which were never gonna happen), the only way to make the roster work under the cap would be to give Cally (who only has one year of RFA left) the long term deal and push Dubi until next year...

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07-21-2011, 09:37 AM
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The announcement of the award

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(n) Salary Arbitration Decision.

(i) Each salary arbitration decision must be issued by fax and e-mail
to each of the parties within forty-eight (48) hours of the close of
the hearing.


(ii) The decision of the Salary Arbitrator shall establish:

(A) the term of the SPC, based upon the Player's or Club's
elect ion of a one or two year SPC, as set forth in its brief
and as consistent with this Ar icle;

(B) the Paragraph 1 NHL Salary to be paid to the Player by the
Club for the season(s) in respect to which the arbitration is
conducted;

(C) the inclusion or otherwise of a Minor League clause (or
clauses) and the amount of Paragraph 1 Minor League
Salary to be paid under each of the season(s) in respect to
which the arbitration is requested;

(D) a brief statement of the reasons for the decision, including
identificat ion of any comparable(s) relied on.
Hearing is scheduled to conclude today noon. 9am start. 90 minutes for each side. Something should be released by Saturday afternoon.

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Zuccarello at $1.75M with no bonus cushion is a waste of cap space. Unless he can contribute more than just scoring in the shootout,he belongs in the AHL.

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Remember that poster Gag telling everyone how great this arbitration was for the team and the player?

Yup, instead we could have had Dubinsky locked up for years and years for under 5M.

But gag knows better then all.

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WTF is with this idiotic skewed perspective from so many in this fan base?

Cally is worth $5+ but you're willing to let Dubi leave?

The Cally love is understandable from people, but the loathing for Dubinsky when he's virtually an identical player is mind boggling.
Look at the production. That's "WTF is with the perspective." It's called being realistic.

And loathing? Get a grip. Did you miss the part where I said I like him?

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Remember that poster Gag telling everyone how great this arbitration was for the team and the player?

Yup, instead we could have had Dubinsky locked up for years and years for under 5M.

But gag knows better then all.

What makes you say that? Dubinsky is asking for 4.6 for a 1 year deal. Dubinsky is going to ask for more than that if he is giving up UFA years, which is probably where the 5.5 per number that Brooks was bandying about comes from.

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Zuccarello at $1.75M with no bonus cushion is a waste of cap space. Unless he can contribute more than just scoring in the shootout,he belongs in the AHL.
I see him starting in the AHL based on the depth upfront. I don't see anyone getting dumped to start the year but if a top 6 goes down Zuke is called up and if a bottom 6 its Hagelin.

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#NHL new. #Rangers Brandon Dubinsky has settled with the club on a 4 year deal believed to be worth 16.8M. His AAV for cap is 4.2M

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That is a great contract for both Dubinsky and the Rangers

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I think we are all going to be very shocked at the arbitrators award. I have a feeling it will set Dubinsky in his place as to what he is ACTUALLY worth. Imo hes worth 4.25 on a deal buying out UFA years, not 5.25. And on a 1 year, hes lucky to get 3.6. His greed is really starting to annoy me.

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#NHL new. #Rangers Brandon Dubinsky has settled with the club on a 4 year deal believed to be worth 16.8M. His AAV for cap is 4.2M
NO WAY REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

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#NHL new. #Rangers Brandon Dubinsky has settled with the club on a 4 year deal believed to be worth 16.8M. His AAV for cap is 4.2M
Sweet.

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How did they sign him? I thought arbitration started at 9?

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How did they sign him? I thought arbitration started at 9?
Guess they re-signed before arbitration, but it didn't get leaked until now.

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Remember that poster Gag telling everyone how great this arbitration was for the team and the player?
If I recall correctly, player in arbitration can't receive offer sheets, which some people were afraid of.

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#NHL new. #Rangers Brandon Dubinsky has settled with the club on a 4 year deal believed to be worth 16.8M. His AAV for cap is 4.2M
Great news!

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What does the acronym AAV stand for again?

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What does the acronym AAV stand for again?
Average Annual Value. Cap hit, basically. I don't know why AAV is suddenly the new term people use.

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Remember that poster Gag telling everyone how great this arbitration was for the team and the player?

Yup, instead we could have had Dubinsky locked up for years and years for under 5M.

But gag knows better then all.
I know, right? What a joker that guy is. Never has any idea what's going on, just talks out of his rear-end all the time.



On topic, let's try to take all Dubs talk to his thread,

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OK Callahan, hurry up and sign

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Bahahahahahaha.

I KNEW that as soon as I put the time into doing that analysis above, Dubi was going to sign for multiple years.

Having said that, it doesn't change the fact that it only leaves $6.4MM to sign Cally, Eminger and bring in Erixon at $1.75MM... Something's got to give.

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Zuccarello at $1.75M with no bonus cushion is a waste of cap space. Unless he can contribute more than just scoring in the shootout,he belongs in the AHL.
I would tend to agree with you, RB (although I would suggest that you should then trade him for a pick/prospect rather than demote him), and such a move would definitely clear the necessary space. The only problem is - who plays the right side on the third line? If it's Thomas, you need to add back $1MM, which takes you back over the cap (or too close to it to operate). Avery? Christensen? I'm not certain that I - or Torts - would be happy with either option...

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Average Annual Value. Cap hit, basically. I don't know why AAV is suddenly the new term people use.
Thanks, yeah, kind of annoying IMHO....

Didnt the term start being used after the Kovalchuk debacle and the league outlining the new procedure for calculating the cap hit for certain types of contracts? Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that was around the time frame that I started hearing it.


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OK Callahan, hurry up and sign
should not take long now. So what are we thinking more or less? Same amount of yrs?

I would hope same number tops . Should be interesting but regardless they will fit under the cap and resign Eminger as a spare.

Teams almost complete!

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